Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Kiko had an outstanding rookie season, playing every defensive snap, finishing runner up in droy ... Theres no taking that away from him. He looked the part from day 1, and in a Rex style offense No question he got in on tackles. But remember his play in a Rex style defense resulted in him getting moved outside for the next season, and the pick up of brown and spikes.
Tampa Bob Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 (edited) OMG! OMG!! I AM SO HAPPY! Does this mean no more F'IN STUPID legend of kiko threads? I hatedoing those! Edited March 4, 2015 by Tampa Bob
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I didn't read all 23 pages but saw someone mention Kiko didn't want to be here? Where's that coming from? Jason LaCanfora tweet. I can't find any other sources.
NoSaint Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Find me a running back who got better in his late 20s. The one comparison that makes the trade look good for the bills was the colts trade for dickerson early in the 1987 season -- he put up big numbers for them that year and the next season. He had one other good season after that, but it all went south in 1990. He's the best example you'll find, but eric dickerson is hardly a representative player. Most quick guys go downhill quickly. I think at most we see 2 strong years... But frankly we might've only seen kiko for 2 years as we can't force him to sign here.
KOKBILLS Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 McCoy has too many miles on him to carry the rock 30+ times a game. We gave up an every down player in Kiko for 15 carries a game basically. We are still going to need another guy to carry the load. They better get someone in the draft. This is literally the best RB draft of the past decade so I just cant believe how much we gave up for a 7th year RB when the RB of the future will probably still be available with our 2nd or 3rd pick We traded an every down player who played zero downs in 2014 and has had 2 major knee injuries in 5 years....
Uffalo Ills Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Say it ain't so. First Neurvith and now kiko? What next? The Bills/Sabres make so many moves i want them to unmake
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I was curious about that too- I asked with no reply if we deemed last year non football injury and in turn didn't count the year in his contract - otherwise, no idea why he'd want out with Ryan coming.yes, that happened. RFA, not UFA.
K D Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Shady will touch the ball 25+ times a game between rushing and receiving. Fred is still on the roster as is Brown. They're fine at RB now.Fred's last year and Brown looks like a bust. If we pass up a RB in this draft then we are doomed. There's literally 5-6 starting RB's in this draft and Gurley will be a pro bowler in 2 yrs
Rubes Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I'm sure somebody else posted this earlier, but when I first saw the "Alonso traded for McCoy" tweet, for a second my heart stopped thinking it was for Colt McCoy.
NoSaint Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 yes, that happened. RFA, not UFA. Mightve soured him on buff if he was genuinely working out and in a reasonable way
Uffalo Ills Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 OMG! OMG!! I AM SO HAPPY! Does this mean no more F'IN STUPID legend of kiko threads? I hatedoing those! Says the dunce that hates FredX. You might be a dolphins fan, cause it seems like you hate everyone on the Bills
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 @flashg88dwin: Things starting to get real, so soon.. Boys better tighten up!
The Poojer Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I am in Philly and my social media is blowing up with Eagles fans, they are as shocked as we are. I am trying to tell them this is potentially a very good deal for them. It's not making them feel much better. If you want to put yourself at ease, read the Philly fan reaction on Twitter. People are pissed
Jkgobills Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 This is a great trade for the Bills! Kiko is an undersized LB with a big heart. After his first 5 games, teams ran right at him, often with good effect. By the end of his rookie season he looked to be the size of a safety and he needed shoulder surgery. He was worn down. Then another ACL tear, this one occurring during training. We will miss his skills covering the TE, but Preston Brown and Bradham emerging last year make Kiko redundant to some degree. In return we get a complete back, the best the Bills have had since Thurman. RBs might be plentiful these days, but elite RBs are not.
Deranged Rhino Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Find me a running back who got better in his late 20s. The one comparison that makes the trade look good for the bills was the colts trade for dickerson early in the 1987 season -- he put up big numbers for them that year and the next season. He had one other good season after that, but it all went south in 1990. He's the best example you'll find, but eric dickerson is hardly a representative player. Most quick guys go downhill quickly. They do go downhill quickly after 30, because that's when the body starts to give out. You don't really stop growing, or develop your (to use Marcellus Wiley's phrasing) "man-bones and man-strength" until you're 25. Shady's going to get 2 years here under the magic 30 number. Based on his career history, we shouldn't be concerned. But you're absolutely right to point out, or worry, about his large number of carries thus far. He's got a lot of miles. That's something to consider. But Kiko has less miles, less wear and tear and he's already shredded the same knee twice -- once under mysterious circumstances. There's more concern with his health history I imagine than there is with Shady's. Some people are pissed here too. But the philly fans really need to pay attention. His numbers were in free fall having been beaten out by a better back in both pass and short yardage situations. Kelly made a great trade unloading him and his contact for a pro bowl calibre, versatile lb The fact you don't like this trade should tell anyone paying attention all they need to know.
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Some people are pissed here too. But the philly fans really need to pay attention. His numbers were in free fall having been beaten out by a better back in both pass and short yardage situations. Kelly made a great trade unloading him and his contact for a pro bowl calibre, versatile lb His numbers were in free fall because the Eagles threw the football at a 3/2 ratio. Plus, rumor has it that McCoy fell out of favor with Kelly (and vice versa) due to personality differences.
K D Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 We traded an every down player who played zero downs in 2014 and has had 2 major knee injuries in 5 years....ILB don't need wheels. Kiko will be just fine. In 3 yrs he will still be going strong and McCoy will be a 2nd or 3rd stringer like Chris Johnson
3rdand12 Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I need to go look at free agent LB's now CBF Spikes?
jethro_tull Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 Not happy with this deal. You don't trade away a potential defensive superstar LB. He reminded me of Luke Kuechly in his enthusiasm, intelligence and instincts. Look at wht he has done for the Panthers. This stinks.
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