NY Nole Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 As long as whoever drafts him is in the ACC, he should eek out a lot of wins next year. The "better than Luck prospect" guy should get some sort of extra points for crazy.
YoloinOhio Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Plus: He is making all the thows at the combine. Never really a question on that though. Minus: You can't really give him credit for all of his 2nd half comebacks when the reason the comebacks are necessary is because he is so sloppy in the 1st half. You can't throw 4 picks in a half in the NFL and then expect to win because the players on your team are just way more talented than the other team. More of a level playing field in the NFL. His attitude reminds me of Cam Newton, which really isnt that bad. But he will need to learn to handle losing better than he did when he lost his one game in college. Went nuts on sideline with coach threatening to bench him. But seriously... my main concern is whether Mr Magoo is going to get some damn contacts when he gets to the pros
The Bunk Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Lots of his INT's were due to freshmen wideouts not being in the right spot or giving up on the route, the others Winston was flat out pressing and trying to do too much. Lots of good QB's do it. Matt Ryan threw, what, 18, 19 INT's as a senior at BC? Winston was just a RS Soph, he's putting on a clinic at the combine. Mariota still waiting for his WR's to make their break before throwing the ball, Winston's ball is already in the air before the wideout makes his cut. Both are looking like solid prospects, for sure. But Jameis to me in the safer on field prospect. Not as good of an athlete but a true QB.
LB3 Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Plus: He is making all the thows at the combine. Never really a question on that though. Minus: You can't really give him credit for all of his 2nd half comebacks when the reason the comebacks are necessary is because he is so sloppy in the 1st half. You can't throw 4 picks in a half in the NFL and then expect to win because the players on your team are just way more talented than the other team. More of a level playing field in the NFL. His attitude reminds me of Cam Newton, which really isnt that bad. But he will need to learn to handle losing better than he did when he lost his one game in college. Went nuts on sideline with coach threatening to bench him. But seriously... my main concern is whether Mr Magoo is going to get some damn contacts when he gets to the pros
NY Nole Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 As I said - others are entitled to their opinion as I am mine. Hopefully you saw the combine today - because there was one QB that completely stood out today with everything he did and it was Jameis. From his throws to his interactions with the other players to the presence he commanded on the field - he was special. Oh - and both he and Mariota actually did the damn Qb drills unlike Luck. Props to both - as I never understood why QB's refused to participate. The kid is a special talent and it is going to be fun watching him in the pros - as to the guy that knocked the other fsu qb's - i have watched all of the since charlie ward and winston is in a different league. I like ej as a person - but he is no where bear the same talent as winston.
The Bunk Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 As I said - others are entitled to their opinion as I am mine. Hopefully you saw the combine today - because there was one QB that completely stood out today with everything he did and it was Jameis. From his throws to his interactions with the other players to the presence he commanded on the field - he was special. Oh - and both he and Mariota actually did the damn Qb drills unlike Luck. Props to both - as I never understood why QB's refused to participate. The kid is a special talent and it is going to be fun watching him in the pros - as to the guy that knocked the other fsu qb's - i have watched all of the since charlie ward and winston is in a different league. I like ej as a person - but he is no where bear the same talent as winston. This. You can end the thread right here. Good day, gentlemen.
BringBackFergy Posted February 21, 2015 Author Posted February 21, 2015 Dude he faced adversity all year. He got hit a ton. He had a young receiving corps. They were behind numerous games and with the exception of Oregon he led them back every time. His mental makeup is fantastic. He picked up Jimbo Fishers offense incredibly quick which is a pro system. He was accepted into Stanford coming out of high school. I take exception to this as a FSU fan. The dude will not be Ponder because his physical tools are far superior to him. He won't be Manual because his football processing information is way better. ITa amazing how you bring up Roethlisberger to me. Wasn't he accused of raping someone in a bar? Man his football makeup is gonna be terrible. What a bust he'll be. Give me a break. Dude was proven innocent of the rape allegations 3 separate times by the state attorney, by the Tallahassee PD, and by a reputable 3rd party judge in the code of conduct hearing at the school. Screaming FHITP is something stupid that every young guy has done one time or another in some manner. If she was raped why didn't she file a civil suit? Why is she doing a documentary about her story for money? Why are there rumors of her asking for 7 million dollars to keep her mouth shut. Why is she apart of a group called the cleat chasers. Your probably the type of guy that was repulsed when you found out the Duke Lacrosse team raped the two girls and then it was later found out they both lied about it for attention. My point about Flacco AND Rothlisberger related to their being in non-powerhouse divisions and teams (when others claim Winston has to be good because he played against the SEC). The way I see it is you are the exact type of fan this thread was aimed at...stroking this kid's ego before he takes step one onto an NFL field. I suppose you were a Johnny Footfungus fan as well? And don't presuppose how I reacted to the Duke LaCrosse scandal...last time I checked those players weren't causing damage to their dorms, taking soda from restaurants, stealing crab legs, or being investigated for paid autographs...but again, Jameis gets coddled and stroked for being "da' man"....no charges. It really is laughable.
gonzo1105 Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 My point about Flacco AND Rothlisberger related to their being in non-powerhouse divisions and teams (when others claim Winston has to be good because he played against the SEC). The way I see it is you are the exact type of fan this thread was aimed at...stroking this kid's ego before he takes step one onto an NFL field. I suppose you were a Johnny Footfungus fan as well? And don't presuppose how I reacted to the Duke LaCrosse scandal...last time I checked those players weren't causing damage to their dorms, taking soda from restaurants, stealing crab legs, or being investigated for paid autographs...but again, Jameis gets coddled and stroked for being "da' man"....no charges. It really is laughable. No I don't like Johnny Manziel at all actually because I knew he wouldn't be a good NFL QB just like I cringed when the Bills drafted Manuel. Manuel will never be a good starting NFL QB. I am not blind because I like Florida State. I call it like I see it. I wouldn't touch either Mario Edwards Jr. or Ronald Darby and both of them are highly thought of draft prospects from FSU. If you can't see the football acumen in Winston then your blind I don't know what to tell you. He was so far ahead of everybody today in drills including Mariotta.
aristocrat Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 I don't see Winston being successful at all. Doesn't have the maturity to be a qb, I don't like his throwing motion, and he just reminds me of johhny football.
Mr. WEO Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Dude he faced adversity all year. He got hit a ton. He had a young receiving corps. They were behind numerous games and with the exception of Oregon he led them back every time. His mental makeup is fantastic. He picked up Jimbo Fishers offense incredibly quick which is a pro system. He was accepted into Stanford coming out of high school. I take exception to this as a FSU fan. The dude will not be Ponder because his physical tools are far superior to him. He won't be Manual because his football processing information is way better. ITa amazing how you bring up Roethlisberger to me. Wasn't he accused of raping someone in a bar? Man his football makeup is gonna be terrible. What a bust he'll be. Give me a break. Dude was proven innocent of the rape allegations 3 separate times by the state attorney, by the Tallahassee PD, and by a reputable 3rd party judge in the code of conduct hearing at the school. Screaming FHITP is something stupid that every young guy has done one time or another in some manner. If she was raped why didn't she file a civil suit? Why is she doing a documentary about her story for money? Why are there rumors of her asking for 7 million dollars to keep her mouth shut. Why is she apart of a group called the cleat chasers. Your probably the type of guy that was repulsed when you found out the Duke Lacrosse team raped the two girls and then it was later found out they both lied about it for attention. "Dude". watch the documentary.
YoloinOhio Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Dude he faced adversity all year. He got hit a ton. He had a young receiving corps. They were behind numerous games and with the exception of Oregon he led them back every time. His mental makeup is fantastic. He picked up Jimbo Fishers offense incredibly quick which is a pro system. He was accepted into Stanford coming out of high school. I take exception to this as a FSU fan. The dude will not be Ponder because his physical tools are far superior to him. He won't be Manual because his football processing information is way better. ITa amazing how you bring up Roethlisberger to me. Wasn't he accused of raping someone in a bar? Man his football makeup is gonna be terrible. What a bust he'll be. Give me a break. Dude was proven innocent of the rape allegations 3 separate times by the state attorney, by the Tallahassee PD, and by a reputable 3rd party judge in the code of conduct hearing at the school. Screaming FHITP is something stupid that every young guy has done one time or another in some manner. If she was raped why didn't she file a civil suit? Why is she doing a documentary about her story for money? Why are there rumors of her asking for 7 million dollars to keep her mouth shut. Why is she apart of a group called the cleat chasers. Your probably the type of guy that was repulsed when you found out the Duke Lacrosse team raped the two girls and then it was later found out they both lied about it for attention. hi Jameis. Get contacts bro.
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Jameis is such a better prospect than Clausen. It's kinda if joke to mention them in the same breathe. Clausen was a rich kid who had a private qb coach since birth and got held back twice to help his career. He was like a robot. That said, Clausen and Winston share being very unlikable. Clausen was more unlikable because of the douche factor (see Cutler, Jeff George, Losman). There is something about them that makes you want to punch them in the face. Winston just seems like a dumb @ss. I want my qb to be the most liked, smartest guy in the team. JW just seems like he lacks common sense. Winston can be either Big Ben or Ryan Leaf (cross racial comparisons!). He will make or break a Gm's career. His numbers this year kinda sucked too. But for sure, he has all the talent. Just might be a moron.
Mr. WEO Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 He melted down during his only career loss (a game in which he played horribly, by the way). What will happen when the losses start racking up in Tampa, or wherever he goes?
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 No comparison at all between those two. I'd take Winston in a heartbeat, less the crab legs.
Kemp2Warlick Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Around The NFL @AroundTheNFL 2m2 minutes ago Mayock hearing Winston's football IQ is as high as any QB in the last couple years. Aced white board work with @SteveMariucci.
YoloinOhio Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) Around The NFL @AroundTheNFL 2m2 minutes ago Mayock hearing Winston's football IQ is as high as any QB in the last couple years. Aced white board work with @SteveMariucci. i would hope so, looking at the last couple years. Edited February 22, 2015 by YoloinOhio
Sojourner Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 He melted down during his only career loss (a game in which he played horribly, by the way). What will happen when the losses start racking up in Tampa, or wherever he goes? Do I care for Winston? No particularly, I wish him the best in all his endeavors and the same goes for the team he ends up on. But to flat out say that one game where he completely collapsed should be defining of him as a QB? Get a grip. Every QB has bad games, it's whether they have the confidence and back bone to continue and strive to be the best. I don't know if Winston will succeed but I think he has just a good a shot as any in turning around a losing/below average program/team like the Bucs. He seems to have turned a corner, his interviews even suggest as much. He wants to and believes he can be one of the best. More power to the kid. I think he'll be - at worst - an average QB who can win you 4-6 games a year in a pinch.
BringBackFergy Posted February 21, 2015 Author Posted February 21, 2015 Do I care for Winston? No particularly, I wish him the best in all his endeavors and the same goes for the team he ends up on. But to flat out say that one game where he completely collapsed should be defining of him as a QB? Get a grip. Every QB has bad games, it's whether they have the confidence and back bone to continue and strive to be the best. I don't know if Winston will succeed but I think he has just a good a shot as any in turning around a losing/below average program/team like the Bucs. He seems to have turned a corner, his interviews even suggest as much. He wants to and believes he can be one of the best. More power to the kid. I think he'll be - at worst - an average QB who can win you 4-6 games a year in a pinch. 4-6 games? Wait....what? I heard he's better than Andrew Luck.
Mr. WEO Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Do I care for Winston? No particularly, I wish him the best in all his endeavors and the same goes for the team he ends up on. But to flat out say that one game where he completely collapsed should be defining of him as a QB? Get a grip. Every QB has bad games, it's whether they have the confidence and back bone to continue and strive to be the best. I don't know if Winston will succeed but I think he has just a good a shot as any in turning around a losing/below average program/team like the Bucs. He seems to have turned a corner, his interviews even suggest as much. He wants to and believes he can be one of the best. More power to the kid. I think he'll be - at worst - an average QB who can win you 4-6 games a year in a pinch. Well...the point was that he had never lost. And this is how he reacted. His next team is the worst in the NFL and he will start off losing a lot of games, under a lot more pressure with more at stake.
Tintonfallsbillsfan Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 anyone who compares clausen to Winston should be banned from scouting
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