4merper4mer Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Luck would be 3/3 in Super Bowls. LOLOLOLOLOLOL. He has been a consistent turnover machine in big games.
Mr. WEO Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I don't think A Rodg, Brady, Brees, and Manning have always been needed to blow teams out and put up crazy numbers, but for some reason, those teams that are particularly blessed at the QB position tend to use the tools they have. I find it difficult to believe that Seattle is the anomaly and just chooses not to let Wilson blow our minds so that they can grind out those 4th quarter comebacks. Oh, you know. Those NFL teams who subscribe to the "We'd score more TD's if we wanted to, we just don't want to" philosophy. So if you don't see any weakness in his game that precludes him putting up monster stats, why doesn't he do it? Are the Seahawks just toying with other teams? Why doesn't he attempt more passes? The NFL is a passing league, it's never been better for that, why opt to lean on a running game if Wilson is so capable of carrying a team? right. why not score 21 early and grind out the win, instead of waiting to air it out last second? I'm not sure why having it's hard to decipher the Seahawks offensive philosophy. Either you believe that with such a suffocating defense, they chose a ball control ground game (because they also have the best RB in the NFL) and pass judiciously, or you you believe they are so wary of Wilson's talent at QB that they just don't trust him to throw the ball. No one can really believe it's the latter. It is a cheap shot, but did you watch the SB? RW is a solid QB playing for the perfect HC with a great D and run game. As we have seen even the great ones can look bad when asked to carry more than their fair share of the load. Look at Brees last year. To think RW is a shoe in to be a Rodgers or Brady if he throws 10-15 more times a game is a stretch. You mean the 2014 SB where he led them on 4 scoring drives and had them 10 points up on the patriots with onloy 8 minutes to go before his Defense gave up 14 points in the 4th Q....and he then brought them (passes of 31, 11 and 33 yards)80 yards down the field in under 2 minutes to the 1 yard line, where a rookie DB made a great int to cost them the game? Yeah I saw that game. Did you? Or did you just read the stat line the next day? And I never said he is "a shoe in to be a Rodgers or a Brady" under any circumstance. You made that up. Luck would be 3/3 in Super Bowls. People thought that about P Manning as well....
Jauronimo Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I'm not sure why having it's hard to decipher the Seahawks offensive philosophy. Either you believe that with such a suffocating defense, they chose a ball control ground game (because they also have the best RB in the NFL) and pass judiciously, or you you believe they are so wary of Wilson's talent at QB that they just don't trust him to throw the ball. No one can really believe it's the latter. You mean the 2014 SB where he led them on 4 scoring drives and had them 10 points up on the patriots with onloy 8 minutes to go before his Defense gave up 14 points in the 4th Q....and he then brought them (passes of 31, 11 and 33 yards)80 yards down the field in under 2 minutes to the 1 yard line, where a rookie DB made a great int to cost them the game? Yeah I saw that game. Did you? Or did you just read the stat line the next day? And I never said he is "a shoe in to be a Rodgers or a Brady" under any circumstance. You made that up. People thought that about P Manning as well.... I'm not sure why its so hard for you to have an intellectually honest discussion. You can choose to believe that Wilson can do everything that Rodgers can but the Squawks just don't feel like its value add and want to play nail biters rather than blow teams out in the first half. Carroll and his staff must just be the most incompetent f@#$wits on the face of the planet. Yes, that IS more plausible when you really think about it.
Mr. WEO Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I'm not sure why its so hard for you to have an intellectually honest discussion. You can choose to believe that Wilson can do everything that Rodgers can but the Squawks just don't feel like its value add and want to play nail biters rather than blow teams out in the first half. Carroll and his staff must just be the most incompetent f@#$wits on the face of the planet. Yes, that IS more plausible when you really think about it. As I said above, I don't think Wilson is as good as Rodgers. I said that if the defense was differently abled then he would have to pass more and because he is an accurate passer, he would have more yards--perhaps enough to get into your elite QB player threshold, whatever that is. Intellectual dishonesty? Carroll's a genius--this formula has resulted in incredible success. Heavy run, great D. QB executing. It's intellectually dishonest (disingenuous, actually) to assert that the Seahawks staff doesn't feel Wilson can throw the ball, so they run insted.
Jauronimo Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 As I said above, I don't think Wilson is as good as Rodgers. I said that if the defense was differently abled then he would have to pass more and because he is an accurate passer, he would have more yards--perhaps enough to get into your elite QB player threshold, whatever that is. Intellectual dishonesty? Carroll's a genius--this formula has resulted in incredible success. Heavy run, great D. QB executing. It's intellectually dishonest (disingenuous, actually) to assert that the Seahawks staff doesn't feel Wilson can throw the ball, so they run insted. No, it isn't.
Kelly the Dog Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 No, it isn't. They are about to make him the highest paid player in the game. I think they know he's pretty good throwing the ball. If your reading were true they wouldn't even consider it.
The Big Cat Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I'm not sure why having it's hard to decipher the Seahawks offensive philosophy. Either you believe that with such a suffocating defense, they chose a ball control ground game (because they also have the best RB in the NFL) and pass judiciously, or you you believe they are so wary of Wilson's talent at QB that they just don't trust him to throw the ball. No one can really believe it's the latter. You mean the 2014 SB where he led them on 4 scoring drives and had them 10 points up on the patriots with onloy 8 minutes to go before his Defense gave up 14 points in the 4th Q....and he then brought them (passes of 31, 11 and 33 yards)80 yards down the field in under 2 minutes to the 1 yard line, where a rookie DB made a great int to cost them the game? Yeah I saw that game. Did you? Or did you just read the stat line the next day? And I never said he is "a shoe in to be a Rodgers or a Brady" under any circumstance. You made that up. People thought that about P Manning as well.... Seattle's defense has been ranked FIRST in points allowed in each of RW's seasons. Manning had that happen once in his 13 with the Colts. Another time they were second, but other than that, they never go higher than 7. They are about to make him the highest paid player in the game. I think they know he's pretty good throwing the ball. If your reading were true they wouldn't even consider it. Wanna bet?
Mr. WEO Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) No, it isn't. You really believe they don't trust him? Seattle's defense has been ranked FIRST in points allowed in each of RW's seasons. Manning had that happen once in his 13 with the Colts. Another time they were second, but other than that, they never go higher than 7. Wanna bet? Manning's only SB win came when his D carried him thorugh the playoffs. And isn't the argument that an "elite QB can carry a mediocre team (which P Manning rarely played on, if ever)? Edited June 29, 2015 by Mr. WEO
Kelly the Dog Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Seattle's defense has been ranked FIRST in points allowed in each of RW's seasons. Manning had that happen once in his 13 with the Colts. Another time they were second, but other than that, they never go higher than 7. Wanna bet? Yup
The Big Cat Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 You really believe they don't trust him? Manning's only SB win came when his D carried him thorugh the playoffs. And isn't the argument that an "elite QB can carry a mediocre team (which P Manning rarely played on, if ever)? I don't even know what the argument is anymore. Wilson is a top-15 QB. He will be paid like a top-5. He won't get the must lucrative contract in the league. Although, people will identify a specific metric to make that case.
Kelly the Dog Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I don't even know what the argument is anymore. Wilson is a top-15 QB. He will be paid like a top-5. He won't get the must lucrative contract in the league. Although, people will identify a specific metric to make that case. Lol. But your metric is the correct one? There is a very legitimate argument to make for each of the three main metrics: Money per year, total money, guaranteed money. I would argue it's very close between money per year and guaranteed as the most important. Obviously, it depends on how it's played out. Mario's for instance, since he is likely to see it all and more, came out best in total money.
Jauronimo Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 They are about to make him the highest paid player in the game. I think they know he's pretty good throwing the ball. If your reading were true they wouldn't even consider it. I had no idea the two sides were so close. I guess the media chatter and predictions that RW will be playing for another team next year is all just posturing for contract negotiation purposes? If so, its being handled strikingly different than when other franchise QB's contracts have reached maturity.
Kelly the Dog Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I had no idea the two sides were so close. I guess the media chatter and predictions that RW will be playing for another team next year is all just posturing for contract negotiation purposes? If so, its being handled strikingly different than when other franchise QB's contracts have reached maturity. It doesn't really matter whether the two sides are close now. When the decision is made, today, a month from now, a year from now, two years from now after he has been franchised and paid $16-17m for a season, he is not going to be allowed to leave, or be traded, or will he sign for less than a ridiculous contract. It's all posturing and negotiating now, combined with douchebags writing clickbait.
Jauronimo Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 It doesn't really matter whether the two sides are close now. When the decision is made, today, a month from now, a year from now, two years from now after he has been franchised and paid $16-17m for a season, he is not going to be allowed to leave, or be traded, or will he sign for less than a ridiculous contract. It's all posturing and negotiating now, combined with douchebags writing clickbait. It matters a little bit when you're predicting that he'll sign the richest contract in football history.
Kelly the Dog Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 It matters a little bit when you're predicting that he'll sign the richest contract in football history. Why? If there was a deadline tomorrow they would be very close. The point is they know how valuable he is, they know someone will pay what he wants, and they especially know they don't grow on route trees. They have one of the best and unfortunately they have to pay him that much. Besides, contracts aren't about how good you are, they are about how good you are, how good you are likely to be soon, later, and how old you are.
NoSaint Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Why? If there was a deadline tomorrow they would be very close. The point is they know how valuable he is, they know someone will pay what he wants, and they especially know they don't grow on route trees. They have one of the best and unfortunately they have to pay him that much. Besides, contracts aren't about how good you are, they are about how good you are, how good you are likely to be soon, later, and how old you are. tend to agree on all this. it might go all the way to the limit, it may get done earlier, but odds are it gets done and odds are itll be just a small notch behind lucks deal once we get through all this.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) So now Flacco and Wilson are similar but beeter than.....Trent Dilfer? isn't that what I said? Dilfer a SB Champ, Flacco a SB Champ, Wilson a SB Champ he's done well in his short career, BUT he isn't the "passing QB" many say are needed now is he? so far all they managed is 1 SB win each. Edited June 29, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever
mannc Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 (edited) Besides, contracts aren't about how good you are, they are about how good you are, how good you are likely to be soon, later, and how old you are.And, just as important, how difficult it would be to find someone comparable to replace you. In this case, that is Wilson's ace in the hole, and the reason players like Tannehill are now very rich, while even the very good running backs are relatively poorly paid. Edited June 29, 2015 by mannc
Mr. WEO Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I don't think he will get the richest contract. I bet he will settle for less than that.
GunnerBill Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 elite = Top 10 i'd say russell wilson is easily Top 15, almost Top 10. pay the man $20-25 mil/yr I don't agree elite is top 10. I don't think it is a simple numbers game. For most of the last 5 years there have only been 4 elite Quarterbacks in the NFL to my mind - Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers with Big Ben and Rivers just behind. I do, however, agree with the rest of your post.
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