kota Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 There are a limited number of Safeties in the draft and in FA. Searcy will probably get overpaid because of it. He's a good player but not sure if he is all pro. The Bills would like to keep him Henderson said he would ike to have him back but the reality is that teams have budgets per position and don't break it if possible. They invested in Aaron Williams already. This is the reason why they didn't pay Byrd. Paying guys like Hughes and Dareus makes a ton more sense because it all starts up front anyway. Kyle/Mario aren't getting any younger so you need other people.
NoSaint Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) I think you're making too much of it. Whaley could just as easily have said, "film don't lie." He treated Spikes like an adult and encouraged him to shop the market. Definitely not trying to make it a big deal, was simply replying to the "I think it was respectful" post. It's part of the business and is what it is.... I just think it qualies as a bit of aggressive public gamesmanship. In private the direct honesty is surely appreciated, with a microphone in front of him it's either calculated or unneeded and not dialogue with the player Edited February 20, 2015 by NoSaint
Deranged Rhino Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 I believe Manny definitely has a spot on this roster especially if Hughes leaves. I can see Rex using Manny in the Calvin Pace role those 2 players are very comparable skill set wise. 2 yrs ago Manny performed admirably in Pettine system notching 4 sacks and over 10 QB hits. I'm not saying he's JH level but if he started in this defense can he get those 10 sacks that Jerry got but can save 6-7 mil in the process. Even if he gets 8 sacks and notches a respectable QB hurries, hits numbers I think it's worth the savings. Don't forget fellas Randell Johnson looked pretty good last preseason so DW might want to see what we have in him also Manny took a major step back this year in his work against the run. Yes, it wasn't his ideal scheme but that doesn't impact his inability to shed blocks at the point of attack. I think he's done personally, his performance this year was dismal. If you need any reminders, watch the Denver game and see how they attacked Lawson the moment Hughes got benched. If they keep him around I'll be shocked and rooting for him to get back to his old self, but from what I saw on the all 22s this season I wouldn't hold your breath.
NoSaint Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Manny took a major step back this year in his work against the run. Yes, it wasn't his ideal scheme but that doesn't impact his inability to shed blocks at the point of attack. I think he's done personally, his performance this year was dismal. If you need any reminders, watch the Denver game and see how they attacked Lawson the moment Hughes got benched. If they keep him around I'll be shocked and rooting for him to get back to his old self, but from what I saw on the all 22s this season I wouldn't hold your breath. What's the split on how much his hand was in the dirt 13 vs 14? Could make a big difference
bmur66 Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 Hopefully both remain as Bills. I think we need Searcy more but you gotta wonder what a RB thinks when he see Spikes lined up staring him down. He kind of looks the alien from Predator.
papazoid Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 we wouldn't miss either player. too many other needs and better options come before signing spikes (david harris) and searcy (robey,rambo,duke williams, graham). needs: QB, OG, TE, NT
Deranged Rhino Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 What's the split on how much his hand was in the dirt 13 vs 14? Could make a big difference Good point and I don't know off hand. In the Denver game his hand was in the dirt more often than not. I'll go back and look.
BuffaloFan68 Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 I didn't / don't expect Spikes back but am still holding out hope for Searcy
San-O Posted February 20, 2015 Posted February 20, 2015 yup. when you have a great unit you have to identify the core and be willing to cycle the role players if they get over valued - find yourself a bargain and watch him overperform due to talent around him instead of paying a premium. thats why id be good with a mid tier vet instead of the top 15 pay (ie top 15 out of 64 starters as they were lumping free and strong) that 5-6m would be Very well said. I like it...
BuffaloFan68 Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 I didn't / don't expect Spikes back but am still holding out hope for Searcy
Beef Jerky Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Spikes it is up to him. It seems they made him an offer but it is a very small one b.c they don't see him as a three down guy.
boyst Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 just occurred to me but I think it is interesting that someone like Pettine would value Searcy and Ryan would not. The grasshopper holds more to the safety position then the teacher.
YoloinOhio Posted February 21, 2015 Author Posted February 21, 2015 just occurred to me but I think it is interesting that someone like Pettine would value Searcy and Ryan would not. The grasshopper holds more to the safety position then the teacher.what did Pettine say about him? I don't think Rex doesn't value him as a player in his scheme. I just think he/Whaley don't value him at 5-6/yr.
3rdand12 Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 what did Pettine say about him? I don't think Rex doesn't value him as a player in his scheme. I just think he/Whaley don't value him at 5-6/yr. And i dont think thats how much he can get. Closer to 4. have we discussed who is hot and heavy for him ?
dezertbill Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Whether it's a 4-3 or 3-4, the Bills will need 3 solid LB at most. With Kiko coming back and the emergence of Bradham and Brown, I don't see the Bills needing to beg Spikes to return. Esepcially with him being a liablity on 3rd down with the other guys being younger and more athletic. Based on Whaley's comments it seems he sees it the same way. I still think the Bills need to bring in some solid depth and I see Ryan doing that. Whether it's FA or draft we'll see. But Ryan seems pretty good at identifying defensive talent. If he wanted Spikes back they would be making the same effort they are making with Hughes (at a much cheaper rate).
Beef Jerky Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) just occurred to me but I think it is interesting that someone like Pettine would value Searcy and Ryan would not. The grasshopper holds more to the safety position then the teacher.Link? Also Pettine doesn't run a defense as well as Ryan does so I would rather takes Ryan's word of a player over Pettine's TBH. Edited February 21, 2015 by Beef Jerky
John from Riverside Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 All I know is I am really excited to see Kiko Alonzo in a Rex Ryan defense........
YoloinOhio Posted February 21, 2015 Author Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) And i dont think thats how much he can get. Closer to 4. have we discussed who is hot and heavy for him ? Spotrac predicting 5.3 Edited February 21, 2015 by YoloinOhio
3rdand12 Posted February 21, 2015 Posted February 21, 2015 Spotrac predicting 5.3 Right, agreed . thats what everyone is expounding on. I dont think thats the end all. he should project below four with his percentage of playing time last year and before That might be Bills saving grace.
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