Luka Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 CJ Spiller gets a lot of hate for being one of the most explosive players in the NFL. He's been hampered by injuries and poor O line play. Not to mention the abysmal play calling. He and Watkins were both LETHAL in the screen game at Clemson but I can't recall more than a handful of screens thrown to them all year. We have guys that are great in space, but the coaches and the line have to get them there.
LB3 Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 @mikerodak: C.J. Spiller praises Greg Roman and Chan Gailey: http://t.co/iSk3eXW9tD I think I'm the only one who wants him back. He has a chance to be used correctly in a new offense which is what everyone thinks he would excel in if he was with another team. I certainly wouldn't give him a big contract, but Whaley has essentially said that will not happen. Well said.
Dorkington Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 CJ Spiller gets a lot of hate for being one of the most explosive players in the NFL. He's been hampered by injuries and poor O line play. Not to mention the abysmal play calling. He and Watkins were both LETHAL in the screen game at Clemson but I can't recall more than a handful of screens thrown to them all year. We have guys that are great in space, but the coaches and the line have to get them there. Our screen designs were pretty bad in general, I think we only had a handful of successful ones, from what I recall.
YoloinOhio Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 Our screen designs were pretty bad in general, I think we only had a handful of successful ones, from what I recall.don't get me started on the screens to Chandler and/or Frank Summers - with Watkins blocking!!!
Freddie's Dead Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 Only CJ can decide whether or not he resigns. And yes, I plan to make this joke at EVERY opportunity. THROUGHOUT the offseason. CJ will resign and play elsewhere, because he is not worth the $4M+ he's asking for. If CJ could be had for $2M, he'd be signed already. Wasting a 2nd round draft pick on an RB when we have such glaring needs at OL and TE would be a bad move. RB is not the problem on this team. We can fill that with a late round or FA pickup. We don't need another CJ wasted pick (shoulda been Bulaga). BTW, Fred Jackson has a few years left in the tank. He was running on a bad wheel last season with a crappy line, but he came through time and again with big plays and clutch first downs. As he goes into the Kevin Faulk part of his career, I look forward to still more big plays. Don't be throwin' the dirt on Freddy just yet.
YoloinOhio Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) CJ will resign and play elsewhere, because he is not worth the $4M+ he's asking for. If CJ could be had for $2M, he'd be signed already. Wasting a 2nd round draft pick on an RB when we have such glaring needs at OL and TE would be a bad move. RB is not the problem on this team. We can fill that with a late round or FA pickup. We don't need another CJ wasted pick (shoulda been Bulaga). BTW, Fred Jackson has a few years left in the tank. He was running on a bad wheel last season with a crappy line, but he came through time and again with big plays and clutch first downs. As he goes into the Kevin Faulk part of his career, I look forward to still more big plays. Don't be throwin' the dirt on Freddy just yet. where did you see he's asking for 4mill+? You don't know where the "glaring needs" will be come draft time. The Bills should take the best available player on their board at 50. Edited February 24, 2015 by YoloinOhio
Kirby Jackson Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 @mikerodak: C.J. Spiller praises Greg Roman and Chan Gailey: http://t.co/iSk3eXW9tD I think I'm the only one who wants him back. He has a chance to be used correctly in a new offense which is what everyone thinks he would excel in if he was with another team. I certainly wouldn't give him a big contract, but Whaley has essentially said that will not happen. I'm with you 100%.
Freddie's Dead Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) where did you see he's asking for 4mill+? You don't know where the "glaring needs" will be come draft time. The Bills should take the best available player on their board at 50. If we have addressed OL and TE by then, I'm all for BPA. The $4M is merely my conjecture that he'd want Freddy money at minimum. Edited February 24, 2015 by Fred Jackson Jockstrap
Deranged Rhino Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 The only thing worse than using the 9 pick on CJ to begin with, would be letting him walk instead of re-signing him to a reasonable contract. Don't break the bank for him of course, but bring CJ back with a real coaching staff. He's just hitting his prime.
Freddie's Dead Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 The only thing worse than using the 9 pick on CJ to begin with, would be letting him walk instead of re-signing him to a reasonable contract. Don't break the bank for him of course, but bring CJ back with a real coaching staff. He's just hitting his prime. Reading in between Doug Whaley's lines, they're too far apart. I think CJ is as good as gone. We'll know soon.
FireChan Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 The only thing worse than using the 9 pick on CJ to begin with, would be letting him walk instead of re-signing him to a reasonable contract. Don't break the bank for him of course, but bring CJ back with a real coaching staff. He's just hitting his prime. Hitting his prime? He's entering his fifth year and he still can't block. Still displays a poor football IQ constantly. And within 3 years, he'll be a step slower and be Chris Johnson. No thank you.
Kirby Jackson Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 Reading in between Doug Whaley's lines, they're too far apart. I think CJ is as good as gone. We'll know soon.I don't see that at all. His max value in this year's class is in the $4M range I would expect. How far from $4M could they be? He wants to be in Buffalo and they have a need for him as a Swiss Army Knife type of player that he should be used as. I see no reason that they don't bring him back at $3M-$4M a year over 4 years. Throw him 5 balls, 8 carries and as a return man. He should be used like Darren Sproles is used.
3rdand12 Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 Cj needs a new tryout for this set of coaches.really wish they could find a way to keep him while protecting their own interest. I expect he is considered a "risk " player.Maybe he is still considered a project of sorts. So poorly used the last two year when he was on the field it was shameful honestly. Marrone must have hated him. i am serious about that statement.Roman might be all ground and pound and he may be all a smart Coach whom uses what he has to the advantage But with some serious speed guys on the Bills he might being doing his own "The Simpsons" , Mr Burns imitation. Excellent,....... excellent !! ps i vote we keep Glass Goodwin. and then fool them all. Sammy and Spiller can run the Clemson game. EJ gets protection. EJ gets calm. and Bills call more vertical plays because they are demanding defense respect the run.koolaid is getting to my head !still need to draft one. anyone think Fred might retire this year and surprise?
KOKBILLS Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 I don't see that at all. His max value in this year's class is in the $4M range I would expect. How far from $4M could they be? He wants to be in Buffalo and they have a need for him as a Swiss Army Knife type of player that he should be used as. I see no reason that they don't bring him back at $3M-$4M a year over 4 years. Throw him 5 balls, 8 carries and as a return man. He should be used like Darren Sproles is used. Totally agree...And Sproles just got 3 years, $10.5...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 I don't see that at all. His max value in this year's class is in the $4M range I would expect. How far from $4M could they be? He wants to be in Buffalo and they have a need for him as a Swiss Army Knife type of player that he should be used as. I see no reason that they don't bring him back at $3M-$4M a year over 4 years. Throw him 5 balls, 8 carries and as a return man. He should be used like Darren Sproles is used. You're already a better OC than Hackett.
YoloinOhio Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 You're already a better OC than Hackett. The fact that both Hackett and Marrone are both now position coaches and not OCs says it all.
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 The fact that both Hackett and Marrone are both now position coaches and not OCs says it all. You don't get it Yolo. Marrone inspired the defense with his pep talks! Lombardi < Marrone
Kirby Jackson Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 I think that where the disconnect comes in on Spiller is that people are still stuck on where he was drafted (like a more likable Whitner). The guy cannot help where he was drafted. While neither Whitner nor Spiller may ever turn out to be good top 10 picks that does not mean that they don't have a place in the NFL. Both are good NFL players if used correctly. Spiller is (and has always been) a specialist IMO. People want to run him out of town because they want pounding between the tackles type of back. Can't we have both? Move Dixon to a FB type of role, a big back to pound, Freddie to spell him, and CJ used as referenced above. Then you still have Bryce Brown to fill any role other than Dixon's. Spiller is Darren Sproles and not Adrian Peterson. As soon as we can accept that we can begin to appreciate the player.
Chuck Wagon Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 BTW, Fred Jackson has a few years left in the tank. He was running on a bad wheel last season with a crappy line, but he came through time and again with big plays and clutch first downs. As he goes into the Kevin Faulk part of his career, I look forward to still more big plays. Don't be throwin' the dirt on Freddy just yet. Call me a pessimist but I find it ridiculous to suggest Fred has a few years left in the tank. I know we all appreciate what he represents, but when backs his age start to lose it they don't get it back. When players mean as much to the franchise Fred does, people want to realize the decline until it's painfully obvious. He's entering his age 34 season and I'd be shocked to see him playing at 36. Counting on him for anything more than an emotional leader and occasional contributor is foolish.
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