SJDK Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 Seriously, what are the colleges doing that isn't producing pro-style/pro ready QB's? Is their anyone in the CFL?? I was seriously thinking about that today... SMH
YoloinOhio Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) Spread offense and dual threat QBs. There are still some good pro style prospects in certain programs that run that type of offense, but just not the quantity. MSU always has one - next year connor Cook will be in the draft. He's a 6'4 nfl prototype. Also UM is going back to Harbaughs offense and will start churning them out. USC and LSU usually produce one every few years. Edited February 15, 2015 by YoloinOhio
SJDK Posted February 15, 2015 Author Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) It seems like a few schools do it right. Stanford, the ones Yolo mentioned, but if I'm a QB who wants to play in the pro's (and play well), I've got very few options. Not some big names like USC, Florida, Florida state... It seems like there has to be a reason we haven't seen a paradigm shift in offensive philosophy, is their a college rule I don't know about that is keeping this spread stuff alive? Why would a good HS QB go to one of these schools that won't have him pro ready? Edited February 15, 2015 by SJDK
FireChan Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 It seems like a few schools do it right. Stanford, the ones Yolo mentioned, but if I'm a QB who wants to play in the pro's (and play well), I've got very few options. Not some big names like USC, Florida, Florida state... It seems like there has to be a reason we haven't seen a paradigm shift in offensive philosophy, is their a college rule I don't know about that is keeping this spread stuff alive? Why would a good HS QB go to one of these schools that won't have him pro ready? Less talent.
YoloinOhio Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) It seems like a few schools do it right. Stanford, the ones Yolo mentioned, but if I'm a QB who wants to play in the pro's (and play well), I've got very few options. Not some big names like USC, Florida, Florida state... It seems like there has to be a reason we haven't seen a paradigm shift in offensive philosophy, is their a college rule I don't know about that is keeping this spread stuff alive? Why would a good HS QB go to one of these schools that won't have him pro ready?IMO, because of the BCS and now cfb playoff system where voters decide who plays for the championship, it is critical to win every game and by as much as possible. "style points" are huge in setting teams apart and a great offense usually wins in cfb because it can spread out the athletes and create mismatches. The difference between college and pro is recruiting. The big time programs get the best athletes, period. In the nfl it is more of a level playing field, and coaching and game planning is more critical. The spread offense and dual threat QB is incredibly difficult to stop when the OL is bigger and stronger and the playmakers are stronger and faster than the opposition. Stanford has had some success with the power run game but have really only been competitive with the big boys when they have an NFL ready QB at the helm. Same at USC. Saban, OTOH, has tried to win with defense and running the ball until Kiffin came on board. But a mediocre QB and inability to score points with a spread offense like OSU did him in. The spread makes the D defend the entire field, and there are usually multiple weapons everywhere. Edited February 15, 2015 by YoloinOhio
SJDK Posted February 15, 2015 Author Posted February 15, 2015 IMO, because of the BCS and now cfb playoff system where voters decide who plays for the championship, it is critical to win every game and by as much as possible. "style points" are huge in setting teams apart and a great offense usually wins in cfb because it can spread out the athletes and create mismatches. The difference between college and pro is recruiting. The big time programs get the best athletes, period. In the nfl it is more of a level playing field, and coaching and game planning is more critical. The spread offense and dual threat QB is incredibly difficult to stop when the OL is bigger and stronger and the playmakers are stronger and faster than the opposition. Stanford has had some success with the power run game but have really only been competitive with the big boys when they have an NFL ready QB at the helm. Same at USC. Saban, OTOH, has tried to win with defense and running the ball until Kiffin came on board. But a mediocre QB and inability to score points with a spread offense like OSU did him in. Agreed, maybe its a problem that the defenses aren't good enough to expose this, more of the good HS kids should play defense. I took a lot of pride in it myself. I think a resurgence of press man coverage coupled with relaxing the rules on PI and defensive holding calls is needed to push the college offenses away from the read option & spread stuff (due to more people on the line of scrimmage
YoloinOhio Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 Agreed, maybe its a problem that the defenses aren't good enough to expose this, more of the good HS kids should play defense. I took a lot of pride in it myself. I think a resurgence of press man coverage coupled with relaxing the rules on PI and defensive holding calls is needed to push the college offenses away from the read option & spread stuff (due to more people on the line of scrimmageits getting harder and harder to get NFL-ready CBs out of college as well for this reason. They are playing a different game.
Chuck Wagon Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 The prospects are disappearing before they hit college. It's starting in high school, teams are putting their two best athletes in the backfield and having the better passer of the two take the snap. The old 6'4" prototype QB plays DE/TE. Think about how few great QBs actually make it to the NFL. If you lose even 2-3 great QBs to coaches who stick them on the line as a high school freshman it has an impact.
Section242 Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 It seems like a few schools do it right. Stanford, the ones Yolo mentioned, but if I'm a QB who wants to play in the pro's (and play well), I've got very few options. Not some big names like USC, Florida, Florida state... It seems like there has to be a reason we haven't seen a paradigm shift in offensive philosophy, is their a college rule I don't know about that is keeping this spread stuff alive? Why would a good HS QB go to one of these schools that won't have him pro ready? I'd say USC is a probably the best option. FSU will have their last two starting QB's taken in the 1st rd. College coaches are under the same circumstances as pro guys. Short time to prove a recruit is the right guy. Look at Texas A&M they had a top recruit transfer to SMU in Matt Davis, Kenny Hill will leave after tearing it up for a few games. Now they've got Kyle Allen and the top QB recruit coming in. One is a a Freshman the other a Soph, one will leave. Coaches on both levels can't develop guys. Win now or get fired.
SJDK Posted February 15, 2015 Author Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) I'd say USC is a probably the best option. FSU will have their last two starting QB's taken in the 1st rd. College coaches are under the same circumstances as pro guys. Short time to prove a recruit is the right guy. Look at Texas A&M they had a top recruit transfer to SMU in Matt Davis, Kenny Hill will leave after tearing it up for a few games. Now they've got Kyle Allen and the top QB recruit coming in. One is a a Freshman the other a Soph, one will leave. Coaches on both levels can't develop guys. Win now or get fired. i know Florida state QB's are being drafted high but I think it's becoming apparent that their system doesn't translate to the pro's. Ponder, EJ and Winston is about to be picked high but I think we can all see his train wreck coming a mile away. Their system hasn't put out a pro-ready product despite the wins they have put together in the program. Also, USC hasn't done much for their QB's either but they are closer than many schools Leinart, Barkley and Palmer. Palmer did the best as a pro so far but I don't think he really met the expectations many had. All that being said, I don't expect great QB's to be coming out of college like in ridiculous numbers or anything but the struggle these kids have in the pro's is very real with very few exceptions over the past 10 years or so. Edited February 15, 2015 by SJDK
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 Seriously, what are the colleges doing that isn't producing pro-style/pro ready QB's? Is their anyone in the CFL?? I was seriously thinking about that today... SMH They play spread offenses and don't know how to read Defenses. Spread offense and dual threat QBs. There are still some good pro style prospects in certain programs that run that type of offense, but just not the quantity. MSU always has one - next year connor Cook will be in the draft. He's a 6'4 nfl prototype. Also UM is going back to Harbaughs offense and will start churning them out. USC and LSU usually produce one every few years. We need to trade the farm to get Cook next year. Wonder if there is anyway to coerce college to play pro style offenses? I thought that the spread would work in the NFL but it's not, some teams use elements of it but overall QBs still have to be able to play in the pocket and make progressions.
Mark80 Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) They play spread offenses and don't know how to read Defenses. We need to trade the farm to get Cook next year. Wonder if there is anyway to coerce college to play pro style offenses? I thought that the spread would work in the NFL but it's not, some teams use elements of it but overall QBs still have to be able to play in the pocket and make progressions. Cody Kessler is the QB to go after next year. Cook is playing second fiddle. You'll change your tune sometime during next season, mark it down. Edited February 15, 2015 by Mark80
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 (edited) It seems like a few schools do it right. Stanford, the ones Yolo mentioned, but if I'm a QB who wants to play in the pro's (and play well), I've got very few options. Not some big names like USC, Florida, Florida state... It seems like there has to be a reason we haven't seen a paradigm shift in offensive philosophy, is their a college rule I don't know about that is keeping this spread stuff alive? Why would a good HS QB go to one of these schools that won't have him pro ready? it's not rules, it's not enough good defenders. It's like how the triple option flourished and is still played in college but can't work in the pros because the athletes are so much better. Cody Kessler is the QB to go after next year. Cook is playing second fiddle. You'll change your tune sometime during next season, mark80 it down. Maybe, depends on the year and who? Edited February 15, 2015 by Buffalo Barbarian
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 i know Florida state QB's are being drafted high but I think it's becoming apparent that their system doesn't translate to the pro's. Ponder, EJ and Winston is about to be picked high but I think we can all see his train wreck coming a mile away. Their system hasn't put out a pro-ready product despite the wins they have put together in the program. Also, USC hasn't done much for their QB's either but they are closer than many schools Leinart, Barkley and Palmer. Palmer did the best as a pro so far but I don't think he really met the expectations many had. All that being said, I don't expect great QB's to be coming out of college like in ridiculous numbers or anything but the struggle these kids have in the pro's is very real with very few exceptions over the past 10 years or so. The NFL seriously needs a a farm system.
fansince88 Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 The NFL seriously needs a a farm system. this
Mike in Horseheads Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 The NFL seriously needs a a farm system. This is when it would be nice to have NFL Europe playing and have a noon and 3 game as todays sports TV is horrid. That would also give a place for players to develop ala Freddy.
Beef Jerky Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 The NFL seriously needs a a farm system. They have been trying but if it doesn't make money then it doesn't make sense... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_Experimental_Football_League
peanuts Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 The Best CFL QB is this guy, he is only 24 years old. http://cfl.ca/roster/show/id/5083 http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Levi_Mitchell
peterpan Posted February 15, 2015 Posted February 15, 2015 college coaches are more adept at making their system fit the players they have, where NFL coaches are set in their ways with 'their' system and almost refuse to build an offense around the players at their disposal. So the NFL is still stuck in the mold of Pocket QBs with multiple progressions and deep drops, even though there aren't guys that who can do that to go around. The Pats change their system depending on their roster. The Seahawlks built an offense Russell Wilson can win with. Chip Kelly is making it work with Foles and Sanchez. Other than those three im not sure any other team does what they should be doing.
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