2013 NFL Draft - Top Ten

[Kelly the Dog]

I was just talking football with my brother and had to check the 2013 NFL draft top ten.

 

Check it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NFL_draft

 

Not really one of them is a stud. Most are average or washouts. Yes, you cannot gauge a draft for a few years and there are some decent players here but the top ten?

 

1 1 Kansas City Chiefs Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan MAC ^[9]

1 2 Jacksonville Jaguars Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M SEC

1 3 Miami Dolphins Dion Jordan DE Oregon Pac-12 from Oakland ^{[R1 - 1]}

1 4 Philadelphia Eagles Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma Big 12

1 5 Detroit Lions Ezekiel Ansah DE BYU Ind.

1 6 Cleveland Browns Barkevious Mingo DE LSU SEC

1 7 Arizona Cardinals Jonathan Cooper G North Carolina ACC

1 8 St. Louis Rams Tavon Austin WR West Virginia Big 12 from Buffalo ^{[R1 - 2]}

1 9 New York Jets Dee Milliner CB Alabama SEC

1 10 Tennessee Titans Chance Warmack G Alabama SEC

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_NFL_draft

 

That's why you make the Watkins trade.

Edited February 13, 2015 by Kelly the Dog

[CardinalScotts]

yep I'll take the sure thing especially drafting the kid at 21 years old

[Kelly the Dog]

yep I'll take the sure thing especially drafting the kid at 21 years old

No one would hire me or any of us as a GM or any position of importance when it comes to the draft. And yet, I imagine because of ego, draft picks, especially high ones, are sacrosanct to GMs and HCs in the league. And yet a huge percentage of them fail. Every year. If you take any year and look at the 32 picks it's amazing how many of them are busts or just barely average players. And yet a #1 pick is one of the most valued components for all 32 teams regardless of who is the GM.

 

And, of course, the 2nd and 3rd round is far worse.

 

I assume it's because they all believe in their heart of hearts that they can spot talent, and most wouldn't be in this position at the top of their field in the most successful league in pro sports. But it's incredible how much they fail. Like a .333 hitter in baseball that is one of the best in the league but is still out two out of three times.

 

The draft is a science with very few if any qualified scientists.

[Uffalo Ills]

Ziggy is pretty good...

[OldTimer1960]

No one would hire me or any of us as a GM or any position of importance when it comes to the draft. And yet, I imagine because of ego, draft picks, especially high ones, are sacrosanct to GMs and HCs in the league. And yet a huge percentage of them fail. Every year. If you take any year and look at the 32 picks it's amazing how many of them are busts or just barely average players. And yet a #1 pick is one of the most valued components for all 32 teams regardless of who is the GM.

 

And, of course, the 2nd and 3rd round is far worse.

 

I assume it's because they all believe in their heart of hearts that they can spot talent, and most wouldn't be in this position at the top of their field in the most successful league in pro sports. But it's incredible how much they fail. Like a .333 hitter in baseball that is one of the best in the league but is still out two out of three times.

 

The draft is a science with very few if any qualified scientists.

i am not sure that it is as much that there are "few if any qualified scientists" as much as fans' expectations of the draft are way off. As you said, a .333 hitter in baseball is very good, but in the NFL some fans expect every 1st - 3rd round pick to become a very good starter. I think that history shows that isn't a realistic expectation.

[LA Grant]

It is funny to me how many "misses" there are in the draft. We really should change the way we think about it — instead of "bust" shouldn't it just be "on par"? Most of these guys don't work out. A guy that does work out isn't quite a miracle but it's at least a little bit lucky.

 

The other thing about it too is that they are people — kids — and not machines composed solely of 40 times, wing span, and vertical leap. A lot of the NFL's predictive measurements of maturity are frequently wrong. Kiko Alonso, for example, should've been 1st round talent but he dropped because he had an alcohol incident in college. In other words: HE WENT TO COLLEGE. On the other hand, there are guys like Cyrus Koundjio who got ahead of themselves and probably didn't put in the amount of focus to succeed at the next level because he got by in a certain way at the previous level.

 

Some of the signs are clear. Everyone knew Manziel's **** was going to catch up to him. And I think, though not proven yet, Sammy's clear maturity is the opposite slam dunk because he seems to have a good head on his shoulders and seems to be a learns from his mistakes kind of professional guy.

 

The NFL is less like meteorology and more like yearbook superlatives. Sure, this guy seems most likely to succeed now, but what happens when you load his pockets for the first time in his life?

 

All that said, its late and I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Edited February 13, 2015 by LA Grant

[Maury Ballstein]

Wow that draft is crap. Hear terrible things about joekel and fisher.

[Kirby Jackson]

Remember that the experts were saying that is was a terrible draft before it happened and the next year's draft was so much better? Remember how many people on here argued against that? "Next year's draft is always better. Yeah right, get your QB now."

 

The Bills should have traded out of the 1st completely in exchange for St. Louis 1st in 2014 and 2nd in 2013 instead of trading down and drafting EJ. In 2014 the Bills could have taken Watkins at 2, QB at 9 (Manziel, Bridgewater or Carr) and had their 1st this year. The irony is that this place would have went CRAZY if that happened. Look how well that would have worked out in hindsight? It's tough to grade drafts and trades immediately so slow down people complaining about the trade last year. Let it play out a little further before we decide how it worked out.

Edited February 13, 2015 by Kirby Jackson

[YoloinOhio]

Remember that the experts were saying that is was a terrible draft before it happened and the next year's draft was so much better? Remember how many people on here argued against that? "Next year's draft is always better. Yeah right, get your QB now."

 

The Bills should have traded out of the 1st completely in exchange for St. Louis 1st in 2014 and 2nd in 2013 instead of trading down and drafting EJ. In 2014 the Bills could have taken Watkins at 2, QB at 9 (Manziel, Bridgewater or Carr) and had their 1st this year. The irony is that this place would have went CRAZY if that happened. Look how well that would have worked out in hindsight? It's tough to grade drafts and traded immediately so slow down people complaining about the trade last year. Let it play out a little further before we decide how it worked out.

that would have been ideal. Looking back at where they were QB wise (having cut Fitz) they needed a QB, felt EJ was their guy, and probably panicked he would be gone in the 2nd. Maybe he would have, we'll never know. I'm fine with the trade from last year though, never worried about it. I like the guy they got, and they can easily make up the 1st rd pick in FA. Plus the 1st rd this year is meh. Edited February 13, 2015 by YoloinOhio

[Beef Jerky]

Plenty of good players in that draft OP... That top ten has good players.

[YoloinOhio]

Plenty of good players in that draft OP... That top ten has good players.

The top 10 of the draft needs to have more than 2 or 3 pretty good players. It was a bad draft and the 1st rd was crap.

[Kirby Jackson]

that would have been ideal. Looking back at where they were QB wise (having cut Fitz) they needed a QB, felt EJ was their guy, and probably panicked he would be gone in the 2nd. Maybe he would have, we'll never know. I'm fine with the trade from last year though, never worried about it. I like the guy they got, and they can easily make up the 1st rd pick in FA. Plus the 1st rd this year is meh.

Agree, I was more talking about how easy it is to pick things apart in hindsight. Everyone has strong feelings after but I don't remember 1 person on here suggesting the above scenario 2 years ago. It would have been more than ideal. Foresight is the hard part.

[YoloinOhio]

Agree, I was more talking about how easy it is to pick things apart in hindsight. Everyone has strong feelings after but I don't remember 1 person on here suggesting the above scenario 2 years ago. It would have been more than ideal. Foresight is the hard part.

yep, exactly. We pick apart the Bills decisions on a daily basis but the truth is many teams have made head scratching decisions and been ok in the end. We need to get consistency in our systems on both sides of the ball and constant coaching changes have made that difficult. Once you don't have to keep drafting and approaching FA for change in scheme you can really build on your personnel instead of replacing it. I think the Bills have managed to build on it and just adapt the personnel to a point, better than some teams who have gone through similar constant change.

[metzelaars_lives]

In fairness everyone knew it was a horrible draft then too. It's what makes me a little nervous about the 2014 NHL draft- yes we got the first forward off the board but will any of them be any good?

Plenty of good players in that draft OP... That top ten has good players.

No it doesn't. Perhaps you need to revisit the 2011 draft to see what a good top ten looks like. The top ten picks from the 2013 draft are fascinatingly bad.

[Kirby Jackson]

In fairness everyone knew it was a horrible draft then too. It's what makes me a little nervous about the 2014 NHL draft- yes we got the first forward off the board but will any of them be any good?

No it doesn't. Perhaps you need to revisit the 2011 draft to see what a good top ten looks like. The top ten picks from the 2013 draft are fascinatingly bad.

The one thing about last year's NHL draft that is encouraging is how well Sam Reinhart played at the World Juniors. They may not hit on all of those guys (Lemieux is already gone) but Reinhart looked like the real deal. He may never win a scoring title but he looks like a top 6 forward that plays on the power play and kills penalties. At least to me he looks like he will be a core guy at worst and most likely an all-star.

[Beef Jerky]

In fairness everyone knew it was a horrible draft then too. It's what makes me a little nervous about the 2014 NHL draft- yes we got the first forward off the board but will any of them be any good? No it doesn't. Perhaps you need to revisit the 2011 draft to see what a good top ten looks like. The top ten picks from the 2013 draft are fascinatingly bad.

Guess we have a different thought in what the difference between good and great is. Agree to disagree.

[Kirby Jackson]

The problem with the 2013 draft is that there was no top tier talent. Everyone knew that going in and it turned out to be true. They referred to it as a "meat and potatoes" draft. If that doesn't fire you up for a draft I don't know what will!! The reality is, if there are no top end players than you should expect the top 10 to look bad. Look at the 2011 1st round and then look at the 2013 1st round. Every year is different. The Bills thought that a 2nd round pick last year was the equivalent of a mid to late 1st this year. That appears to be the case. With that being said, I wish that they would have done a little better with that 2nd rounder last year.

[C.Biscuit97]

The problem with the 2013 draft is that there was no top tier talent. Everyone knew that going in and it turned out to be true. They referred to it as a "meat and potatoes" draft. If that doesn't fire you up for a draft I don't know what will!! The reality is, if there are no top end players than you should expect the top 10 to look bad. Look at the 2011 1st round and then look at the 2013 1st round. Every year is different. The Bills thought that a 2nd round pick last year was the equivalent of a mid to late 1st this year. That appears to be the case. With that being said, I wish that they would have done a little better with that 2nd rounder last year.

A year doesn't make a career.

[peterpan]

No one would hire me or any of us as a GM or any position of importance when it comes to the draft. And yet, I imagine because of ego, draft picks, especially high ones, are sacrosanct to GMs and HCs in the league. And yet a huge percentage of them fail. Every year. If you take any year and look at the 32 picks it's amazing how many of them are busts or just barely average players. And yet a #1 pick is one of the most valued components for all 32 teams regardless of who is the GM.

 

And, of course, the 2nd and 3rd round is far worse.

 

I assume it's because they all believe in their heart of hearts that they can spot talent, and most wouldn't be in this position at the top of their field in the most successful league in pro sports. But it's incredible how much they fail. Like a .333 hitter in baseball that is one of the best in the league but is still out two out of three times.

 

The draft is a science with very few if any qualified scientists.

I think its their confidence in themselves that makes them make mistakes. Rather than taking a trade back and playing a numbers game, they go get 'their guy' when in reality there are a ton of good guys to choose from. Or they reach to potential instead of just getting the solid good player everyone knows.

[Beerball]

 

That's why you make the Watkins trade.

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