Homey D. Clown Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 Hello folks, Some have been dissapointed by what Sammy Watkins did last year and this has caused him to be referred to as a bust or not as good as Evans or Beckham. THeres a big factor why Sammy didnt put up similar numbers to those guys that i think has not been recognized. Yes sammy had bruised ribs for 8 games which played a role and the QB issue also was a definite issue. I am curious as to how good of years those to WR would of had facing, Revis twice, Grimes twice, Talib, JosephMunnerlyn/Rhodes, Haden, Tillman, Tramon Williams, tarell brown etc.... these are all top CB in the NFL. Beckham and Evans did not have a stable of CB like that to deal with. So personally i think Sammy is gonna become better and with a more experienced OC, he will be put in a positon to flourish. Just watch the magic hapen and enjoy I think Sammy is the better talent, the fact that he had to endure 4 games of EJ not throwing him the ball, limiting his catch totals and yards doesn't lessen his value to me. The guy nearly had 1000 yards in-spite of weak QB play. a bust he is clearly not.
PortlandiaEast Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 In the Minnesota and Detroit games, Sammy made catches in the clutch the helped get us the W. I definitely would not call him a bust. He does have some room to improve. He is a first round pick for sure, but remember we paid two first rounders... Its too early to tell if he was worth two number ones, but I am very happy he is on our team after what he showed this past season.
Dorkington Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 The price *might* have been too high, but no way Sammy is a bust.. even from the biggest detractors I have not really seen that posted O.o
truth on hold Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) The price *might* have been too high, but no way Sammy is a bust.. even from the biggest detractors I have not really seen that posted O.oA bust to me is someone drafted high who didn't make it in the league ...leaf, Russell, maybin, etc.... those kind of guys. Its unlikely Sammy joins that list. However it may have been a bad trade which is a matter of value. E.g. Hershel walker was productive for Vikings, but they gave Dallas way too much to get him. Edited February 12, 2015 by JTSP
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 A bust to me is someone drafted high who didn't make it in the league ...leaf, Russell, maybin, etc.... those kind of guys. Its unlikely Sammy joins that list. However it may have been a bad trade which is a matter of value. E.g. Hershel walker was productive for Vikings, but they gave Dallas way too much to get him. Walker was pretty bad on the Vikings. He had like a high of 800 yards. And if Watkins becomes a Calvin type receiver (odds are he won't), is it a bad trade?
truth on hold Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) Walker was pretty bad on the Vikings. He had like a high of 800 yards. And if Watkins becomes a Calvin type receiver (odds are he won't), is it a bad trade? Was looking at his all purpose yards which were over 1,000/year. If he reaches Megatron level it wasn't a bad trade IMO. Julio Jones is a better comparison as there was an actual trade there and IMO he's better than mega because he's more explosive. I said from the start that was a good trade, and Im even more convinced today. Have my doubts Sammy ever attains that level...love to be proven wrong Edited February 12, 2015 by JTSP
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 Was looking at his all purpose yards which were over 1,000/year. If he reaches Megatron level it wasn't a bad trade IMO. Julio Jones is a better comparison as there was an actual trade there and IMO he's better than mega because he's more explosive. I said from the start that was a good trade, and Im even more convinced today. Have my doubts Sammy ever attains that level...love to be proven wrong I hoped we could stay where we were and get Mike Evans. I thought he fit better. But we couldn't get him either. I think Sammy has elite skills. Problem with wr is it is a completely dependent position. But I don't think there will ever be a FA as talented as Watkins on the market. And Whaley said there are other ways to get 1st rounders. There is a whole career to play out.
Deranged Rhino Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 Was looking at his all purpose yards which were over 1,000/year. If he reaches Megatron level it wasn't a bad trade IMO. Julio Jones is a better comparison as there was an actual trade there and IMO he's better than mega because he's more explosive. I said from the start that was a good trade, and Im even more convinced today. Have my doubts Sammy ever attains that level...love to be proven wrong Julio Jones = good trade Sammy = bad trade Anyone out there think JTSP still isn't trolling with every sentence he writes on here?
dbmu1977 Posted February 12, 2015 Posted February 12, 2015 Sammy is going to be huge next year. How many times did they run a fake reverse this past season and not give him the ball. They need to put the ball in his hands as much as possible, see what he can do.
Herb62 Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 I saw Sammy in collage take bubble screens and run over and through DB's. Not one called for him this year, I'll give the staff the benefit of the doubt and say they were protecting his ribs (I wish they would have thought of that in the preseason Pittsburg game).
John from Riverside Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 LOL. Neither of them are GOAT anyways so what's your point? My point is Odell Beckham put up the greatest rookie season of all-time, had the greatest catch in the history of the sport and doing this in ONLY 12 games and battling 2 separate hamstrings during that time. That is the definition of GOAT for a rookie WR. This needs to be posted again because it is truly amazing. 1 - reposting your own posts makes you look like a marroon 2 - how does posting ODB impressive rookie stats in any way point towards Watkins being a bust
Uffalo Ills Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) Literally, everyone on TBD talks about Sammy. He's good, future Probowler, we all get the point. Let's move on... Surprised the Mod Gods haven't shut this thread down... Edited February 13, 2015 by Uffalo Ills
BuffaloBillsForever Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) 1 - reposting your own posts makes you look like a marroon 2 - how does posting ODB impressive rookie stats in any way point towards Watkins being a bust The fact you think me posting that means I'm saying Watkins is a bust makes YOU a marroon. Edited February 13, 2015 by BuffaloBillsForever
BillsBytheBay Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 Beckham vs best DB in the league Richard Sherman 7 receptions for 108 yards http://youtu.be/luXHTSaVHC8 Sherman after the game: "Beckham is a great player," http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000426179/article/richard-sherman-odell-beckham-jr-is-a-great-player ya know, Stevie had a game like that against Sherman..... And scored. Calvin J. was the only other guy to score on him that year.
Uffalo Ills Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 ya know, Stevie had a game like that against Sherman..... And scored. Calvin J. was the only other guy to score on him that year. Yep. its the footwork, something sammy has trouble with. Sammy isnt an elite route runner. Stevie is, Megatron is, ODB is. Luckily its something that can be taught. Speed isnt, and luckily, Sammy's got plenty of that...
truth on hold Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 ya know, Stevie had a game like that against Sherman..... And scored. Calvin J. was the only other guy to score on him that year. so it sounds like we should have kept Stevie and applied the 3 picks we used to get Watkins (including a pair of firsts) somewhere else
John from Riverside Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 The fact you think me posting that means I'm saying Watkins is a bust makes YOU a marroon. Forgive me.....u are obviously completely misunderstood
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 Julio Jones = good trade Sammy = bad trade Anyone out there think JTSP still isn't trolling with every sentence he writes on here? Well if it isnt with what he writes... It is with those avatars.
Alaska Darin Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 Was Odell Beckham clearly the superior rookie in an outstanding WR class. YUP! Was Odell Beckham injured all year and in only 12 games played up to a level that was last seen 16 years ago by a rookie (Randy Moss). YUP! A once in over a decade rookie campaign. Beckham clearly played with a superior QB and his team clearly gameplanned to both get and keep him involved. Watkins didn't enjoy those luxuries. Everything is a situation. Beckham's situation was clearly better than Watkins' and it showed.
8-8 Forever? Posted February 13, 2015 Posted February 13, 2015 Hello folks, Some have been dissapointed by what Sammy Watkins did last year and this has caused him to be referred to as a bust or not as good as Evans or Beckham. THeres a big factor why Sammy didnt put up similar numbers to those guys that i think has not been recognized. Yes sammy had bruised ribs for 8 games which played a role and the QB issue also was a definite issue. I am curious as to how good of years those to WR would of had facing, Revis twice, Grimes twice, Talib, JosephMunnerlyn/Rhodes, Haden, Tillman, Tramon Williams, tarell brown etc.... these are all top CB in the NFL. Beckham and Evans did not have a stable of CB like that to deal with. So personally i think Sammy is gonna become better and with a more experienced OC, he will be put in a positon to flourish. Just watch the magic hapen and enjoy anyone who is negative on Sammy simply is not paying attention.
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