K D Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 the negativity comes from us already watching this play out in 2012 and 2013. bring in FA QB, give him a lot of guaranteed money, watch EJ beat him out because FA QB sucks, watch EJ suck, insert sucky FA QB, sucky FA QB sucks and leaves town with a lot of guaranteed money and we are back in the same situation again next offseason. I think we all just expected more. we are all feeling good about ourselves after getting this new coaching staff but we aren't going to the playoffs with Josh McCown and if we do it will be 1 and done so what's the point? our team is set up to win now. not eek by and hope to just make the wildcard playoffs. isn't the goal to win the Super Bowl? if it is then do whatever it takes to get a real QB. everyone has their price, be creative, make it happen
YoloinOhio Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 neither will be available, so doesn't matterThat was sarcasm
Wayne Cubed Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 the negativity comes from us already watching this play out in 2012 and 2013. bring in FA QB, give him a lot of guaranteed money, watch EJ beat him out because FA QB sucks, watch EJ suck, insert sucky FA QB, sucky FA QB sucks and leaves town with a lot of guaranteed money and we are back in the same situation again next offseason. I think we all just expected more. we are all feeling good about ourselves after getting this new coaching staff but we aren't going to the playoffs with Josh McCown and if we do it will be 1 and done so what's the point? our team is set up to win now. not eek by and hope to just make the wildcard playoffs. isn't the goal to win the Super Bowl? if it is then do whatever it takes to get a real QB. everyone has their price, be creative, make it happen You expected more, in the middle of February?
Coach Tuesday Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 the negativity comes from us already watching this play out in 2012 and 2013. bring in FA QB, give him a lot of guaranteed money, watch EJ beat him out because FA QB sucks, watch EJ suck, insert sucky FA QB, sucky FA QB sucks and leaves town with a lot of guaranteed money and we are back in the same situation again next offseason. I think we all just expected more. we are all feeling good about ourselves after getting this new coaching staff but we aren't going to the playoffs with Josh McCown and if we do it will be 1 and done so what's the point? our team is set up to win now. not eek by and hope to just make the wildcard playoffs. isn't the goal to win the Super Bowl? if it is then do whatever it takes to get a real QB. everyone has their price, be creative, make it happen IT'S FEBRUARY Some of you people, I swear...
JoeF Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) I'd be disappointed if the Bills didn't evaluate him and bring him in for a visit. The free agent market doesn't look great. The draft is not going to yield much where they are drafting and the Bills get a chance to have an experienced back-up with some starting work in early...his stats are crappy -- but he hasn't exactly played on stellar squads. For 5 games in 2013 he made the Bears look better than they looked with Cutler. McCown career - 17-32 as a starter including 1-10 in 2014........ McCown after 2013 from Pro Football Focus. Positives • Graded at +6.5 on passes in 11-20-yard range.• Showed well on 2nd-and-Long (+3.9) and 3rd-and-Long (+4.4).• Threw well to the middle (+9.9) and right (+6.4).• Posted league’s highest grade when pressured: +8.9.• Graded well against the blitz (+9.0) and against a traditional rush (+8.5).• Was at his best on 7-to-8-yard drop-backs (+15.7).• Excelled in the 2.6-to 3.0-second range (+12.5).• Graded at +18.1 when throwing to wide receivers (by alignment) including +9.5 to the slot and +8.6 to outside wide receivers.• Best routes were hitches (+5.9) and go routes (+7.0). Negatives • Graded at -1.4 on designed rollouts.• Posted an average +0.1 grade on passes in the 31-to-40-yard range.• Graded at -0.9 on 4-to-6-yard drop-backs.• Graded at -0.6 on slants and -0.9 on post routes. Tendencies • Faced the blitz only 27.6% of the time, eighth-lowest in the league. • Above the league average with 21.4% of drop-backs coming in the 4-to-6-yard range.• 17.3% of drop-backs lasted 3.1-3.5 seconds, highest percentage in the league.• Threw only 40.1% of passes outside the numbers, sixth-lowest in the league.• Threw 78.3% of passes to wide receivers (by alignment), fourth-highest in the league.• Threw only 14.5% of passes to tight ends, tied for the lowest percentage in the league.• 11.6% of targets were slants, second-highest in the league. Edited February 16, 2015 by Formerly Joe F
K D Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 You expected more, in the middle of February? i expected nothing in Feb. signing McCown now ties us to him and we miss out on other veteran guys next month not wanting to have to compete with McCown so they end up signing elsewhere IT'S FEBRUARY Some of you people, I swear... see above
YoloinOhio Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 McCown career - 17-32 as a starter including 1-10 in 2014........ McCown after 2013 from Pro Football Focus. Positives Graded at +6.5 on passes in 11-20-yard range. Showed well on 2nd-and-Long (+3.9) and 3rd-and-Long (+4.4). Threw well to the middle (+9.9) and right (+6.4). Posted leagues highest grade when pressured: +8.9. Graded well against the blitz (+9.0) and against a traditional rush (+8.5). Was at his best on 7-to-8-yard drop-backs (+15.7). Excelled in the 2.6-to 3.0-second range (+12.5). Graded at +18.1 when throwing to wide receivers (by alignment) including +9.5 to the slot and +8.6 to outside wide receivers. Best routes were hitches (+5.9) and go routes (+7.0). Negatives Graded at -1.4 on designed rollouts. Posted an average +0.1 grade on passes in the 31-to-40-yard range. Graded at -0.9 on 4-to-6-yard drop-backs. Graded at -0.6 on slants and -0.9 on post routes. Tendencies Faced the blitz only 27.6% of the time, eighth-lowest in the league. Above the league average with 21.4% of drop-backs coming in the 4-to-6-yard range. 17.3% of drop-backs lasted 3.1-3.5 seconds, highest percentage in the league. Threw only 40.1% of passes outside the numbers, sixth-lowest in the league. Threw 78.3% of passes to wide receivers (by alignment), fourth-highest in the league. Threw only 14.5% of passes to tight ends, tied for the lowest percentage in the league. 11.6% of targets were slants, second-highest in the league. @ChrisTrapasso: Only Dolphins & Panthers had lower collective @PFF pass-blocking grades in '14 than Bucs. Just some perspective on McCown's situation in TB.
Bangarang Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Seriously, If EJ can't beat out McCown and Tuel to be the starter then he should be cut immediately.
YoloinOhio Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 i expected nothing in Feb. signing McCown now ties us to him and we miss out on other veteran guys next month not wanting to have to compete with McCown so they end up signing elsewhere see above why would they be worried about competing with mccown? You do realize most teams have more than 1 QB on the team. None of the FA QBs are good enough to be crowned the starter on any team that signs them.
Coach Tuesday Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 i expected nothing in Feb. signing McCown now ties us to him and we miss out on other veteran guys next month not wanting to have to compete with McCown so they end up signing elsewhere see above If he's as bad as you say, why would they be so worried about competing with him?
White Linen Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 So Bills fans are upset McCown was in town, but they all want someone different, but they aren't available yet, so they shouldn't bring guys in. Cool. I think it's more about the initial thought you get in your mind about McCown being the starting QB. I'm not saying he will be and I understand he hasn't signed yet - and even if he is it's not that he is the only one we can bring in/sign. Nevertheless that initial thought that automatically pops into your head is frightening.
DrDawkinstein Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 the negativity comes from us already watching this play out in 2012 and 2013. bring in FA QB, give him a lot of guaranteed money, watch EJ beat him out because FA QB sucks, watch EJ suck, insert sucky FA QB, sucky FA QB sucks and leaves town with a lot of guaranteed money and we are back in the same situation again next offseason. I think we all just expected more. we are all feeling good about ourselves after getting this new coaching staff but we aren't going to the playoffs with Josh McCown and if we do it will be 1 and done so what's the point? our team is set up to win now. not eek by and hope to just make the wildcard playoffs. isn't the goal to win the Super Bowl? if it is then do whatever it takes to get a real QB. everyone has their price, be creative, make it happen BS Nothing says the Bills are done making moves at QB since it's only February. And I'd like to know exactly what "more" you are expecting considering the viable options out there. Seriously. why would they be worried about competing with mccown? You do realize most teams have more than 1 QB on the team. None of the FA QBs are good enough to be crowned the starter on any team that signs them. Exactly. If they are "afraid" of competing with Josh McCown, then we dont need them around anyways. But no NFL QB is thinking that.
K D Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 why would they be worried about competing with mccown? You do realize most teams have more than 1 QB on the team. None of the FA QBs are good enough to be crowned the starter on any team that signs them. If he's as bad as you say, why would they be so worried about competing with him? NFL QB's have egos. They will look at this and say Bills got McCown so he's their guy. I want to go to someone who doesn't have a veteran guy like Houston or Tenn. That's why you never see teams get more than one highly sought after veteran FA QB's in one year
GunnerBill Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 I suppose the way I look at this is so long as it is a reasonable deal McCown gives the Bills space to breathe and options. They could not go into next season with just EJ, now they don't need to. I don't think it necessarily precludes them from looking at other FA options as well or even from drafting one... but it means they are no longer completely desperate when it comes to FAs down the road.
K D Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 BS Nothing says the Bills are done making moves at QB since it's only February. And I'd like to know exactly what "more" you are expecting considering the viable options out there. Seriously. Exactly. If they are "afraid" of competing with Josh McCown, then we dont need them around anyways. But no NFL QB is thinking that. so you think we are going to sign more than 1 veteran FA QB this year and give them both $5 mil or more this season? won't happen. if they get McCown then that is their veteran guy and then the only other move to make would be to draft someone
Bangarang Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 If we sign McCown then I can't imagine we go after anyone else. I think we would sign or draft a rookie and that's it.
machine gun kelly Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 It's all over NFL Radio this morning the final discussions for a contract are being done today. I still say we pick up Hassleback for insurance, and dump Tuel. You can't look at last year as McCown was playing behind by far the worst offensive line in football in Tampa. After the Bills, I follow the Bucs, and I just couldn't watch the games last year. They were so bad and it was not MCown's fault. This is a good holdover for two years as he wants to play and a smart QB. Next year's draft we have to get a QB in the first round. I've read next year's class is much better than this year and last two years for QB's.
bisonbrigade Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 McCown has more INT's than TD's in every year except ONE in his career. Not a positive stat nor is he a good option.
JoeF Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) so you think we are going to sign more than 1 veteran FA QB this year and give them both $5 mil or more this season? won't happen. if they get McCown then that is their veteran guy and then the only other move to make would be to draft someone kdiggz I would agree if there was substantial starting experience with McCown...last year was only the third year in a long career he has been anything but a back up. He has 49 starts in 12 years (with one out of the league). I seriously doubt signing McCown -- probably at something more like $3.5 million -- is going to deter Sanchez from wanting to reunite with Rex or any other FA QB with more starting experience from looking at the Bills. Its definitely not going to break the QB bank--the Bills are spending nothing at QB right now ($3 million cap hit between Manuel and Tuel). If the Bills choose to sign him -- its a start at re-making the position--not a finish. Edited February 16, 2015 by Formerly Joe F
DrDawkinstein Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 so you think we are going to sign more than 1 veteran FA QB this year and give them both $5 mil or more this season? won't happen. if they get McCown then that is their veteran guy and then the only other move to make would be to draft someone Well if you dont think its possible the Bills will bring in another QB, then exactly what "more" were you expecting? A better FA? Who???
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