3rdnlng Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 http://www.gopusa.com/news/2015/02/09/oregon-judge-upskirt-photos-of-teen-at-store-not-illegal/?subscriber=1 HILLSBORO, Ore. (AP) — An Oregon judge has ruled that a 61-year-old man did nothing illegal when he crouched in the aisle of a Target store and snapped photos up a 13-year-old's skirt. It was lewd and appalling, but not outlawed, Washington County Judge Eric Butterfield said. "From a legal point of view, which unfortunately today is my job to enforce, he didn't do anything wrong," the judge said Thursday. Patrick Buono of Portland didn't dispute using his cellphone to take upskirt photos on Jan. 3 at the store in suburban Beaverton, The Oregonian (http://bit.ly/1zXl9hx) reported. But his defense lawyer, Mark Lawrence, argued Buono didn't violate the laws against invasion of privacy and attempted encouraging child sexual abuse, a child pornography count. The privacy law bans clandestine photography in bathrooms, locker rooms, dressing rooms and tanning booths, but the Target aisle was plainly public, Lawrence said. Upskirt sightings can occur by happenstance, he said, citing a famous photo of Marilyn Monroe with her dress flying up. And that could happen to someone riding up an escalator, taking a spill or exiting a car, he said. "These things are not only seen but video-recorded," Lawrence said. "It's incumbent on us as citizens to cover up whatever we don't want filmed in public places." On a lighter note, it did happen to take place in Beaverton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Upskirt sightings can occur by happenstance, he said, citing a famous photo of Marilyn Monroe with her dress flying up. Yeah...right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Upskirt sightings can occur by happenstance, he said, citing a famous photo of Marilyn Monroe with her dress flying up. And that could happen to someone riding up an escalator, taking a spill or exiting a car, he said. Good Lord, your 'Honor', That was a constructed scene from the movie the Seven Year Itch............................happenstance ?? jeez Thats part of your judgement reasoning Can anyone become a judge in Oregon ? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Good Lord, your 'Honor', That was a constructed scene from the movie the Seven Year Itch............................happenstance ?? jeez Thats part of your judgement reasoning Can anyone become a judge in Oregon ? . Oregon did recently legalize recreational marijuana... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Oregon did recently legalize recreational marijuana... And patent leather shoes will be flying off the shelves now in Oregon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 http://www.gopusa.com/news/2015/02/09/oregon-judge-upskirt-photos-of-teen-at-store-not-illegal/?subscriber=1 HILLSBORO, Ore. (AP) — An Oregon judge has ruled that a 61-year-old man did nothing illegal when he crouched in the aisle of a Target store and snapped photos up a 13-year-old's skirt. It was lewd and appalling, but not outlawed, Washington County Judge Eric Butterfield said. "From a legal point of view, which unfortunately today is my job to enforce, he didn't do anything wrong," the judge said Thursday. Patrick Buono of Portland didn't dispute using his cellphone to take upskirt photos on Jan. 3 at the store in suburban Beaverton, The Oregonian (http://bit.ly/1zXl9hx) reported. But his defense lawyer, Mark Lawrence, argued Buono didn't violate the laws against invasion of privacy and attempted encouraging child sexual abuse, a child pornography count. The privacy law bans clandestine photography in bathrooms, locker rooms, dressing rooms and tanning booths, but the Target aisle was plainly public, Lawrence said. Upskirt sightings can occur by happenstance, he said, citing a famous photo of Marilyn Monroe with her dress flying up. And that could happen to someone riding up an escalator, taking a spill or exiting a car, he said. "These things are not only seen but video-recorded," Lawrence said. "It's incumbent on us as citizens to cover up whatever we don't want filmed in public places." On a lighter note, it did happen to take place in Beaverton. I'd beat his ass if he tried with one of my girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Open borders to Canadians. Coincidence that our culture is crumbling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanM.D. Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 It's rarely about justice. It's about winning. This is sad. The guy clearly crossed a line of decency. This judge can jam his interpretation of 'happenstance' as it pertains to this law. This was done on purpose by a pervert....to a very young teenage girl. "It's incumbent on us to cover up whatever we don't want filmed in public." - ??? How does one better cover up while wearing a skirt/dress? Should she have worn a big pair of bloomers underneath?? The guy crouched down and stuck his phone under her skirt to snap a photo....and it's because she didn't 'cover up?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 It's rarely about justice. It's about winning. This is sad. The guy clearly crossed a line of decency. This judge can jam his interpretation of 'happenstance' as it pertains to this law. This was done on purpose by a pervert....to a very young teenage girl. "It's incumbent on us to cover up whatever we don't want filmed in public." - ??? How does one better cover up while wearing a skirt/dress? Should she have worn a big pair of bloomers underneath?? The guy crouched down and stuck his phone under her skirt to snap a photo....and it's because she didn't 'cover up?' Most of those quotes are from the dirt bag lawyer, not the dirt bag judge, but the dirt bag judge did end up ruling in favor on the dirt bag offender. Isn't there some possession of child porn charge that would apply? If they can't charge him for taking the pictures, can they charge him for simply having them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 In a way I agree with him. Upskirt is not my thing and that the dude was creeping on some teen is just messed up but she was out in public. This form of porn is growing rapidly, sadly. There isn't much that can be done to stop it because banning it is going to create a major grey area of what is legal and not. Is taking pictures of the local lake where it just so happens that someone is swimming in going to be a illegal? Is the woman taking a picture of a bounce house going to be labeled a sex offender because some kids are in there and there just happens to be something extra showing? Is a man going to be in the wrong taking a picture of his cousin or daughter if there is an accidental nip slip in her tube top? You can say there is common sense in the world and people need to have it but clearly this world lacks it and letting a courthouse get free reign on common sense is not something I am comfortable with having. I want common sense to begin at the house, inside our own walls. Whats right to wear and how to wear it needs to be addressed. Of course, if I caught someone taking creep shots of some kid they might not end up walking away too easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) Upskirt is not my thing and that the dude was creeping on some teen is just messed up but she was out in public. Just out of curiosity, but a guy sneaks a photo of a 13-year-old's panties and you're justifying that because she was out in public. What if the guy got consent from a 13-year-old girl (not from her parents, just from the girl) to pose in her underwear out in a park so he could take photos of her and post those to websites for people who like that kind of thing. Still okay? I mean, they have her consent and she's in public, right? Edited February 11, 2015 by LABillzFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 In a way I agree with him. Upskirt is not my thing and that the dude was creeping on some teen is just messed up but she was out in public. This form of porn is growing rapidly, sadly. There isn't much that can be done to stop it because banning it is going to create a major grey area of what is legal and not. Is taking pictures of the local lake where it just so happens that someone is swimming in going to be a illegal? Is the woman taking a picture of a bounce house going to be labeled a sex offender because some kids are in there and there just happens to be something extra showing? Is a man going to be in the wrong taking a picture of his cousin or daughter if there is an accidental nip slip in her tube top? You can say there is common sense in the world and people need to have it but clearly this world lacks it and letting a courthouse get free reign on common sense is not something I am comfortable with having. I want common sense to begin at the house, inside our own walls. Whats right to wear and how to wear it needs to be addressed. Of course, if I caught someone taking creep shots of some kid they might not end up walking away too easily. How would you like it if it happened to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Just out of curiosity, but a guy sneaks a photo of a 13-year-old's panties and you're justifying that because she was out in public. What if the guy got consent from a 13-year-old girl (not from her parents, just from the girl) to pose in her underwear out in a park so he could take photos of her and post those to websites for people who like that kind of thing. Still okay? I mean, they have her consent and she's in public, right? I am not saying it is ok. I am not excusing it because that's just messed up. I am saying that legally it is just a very grey area that I would rather not have. I don't have the answer on how to prevent it, maybe wearing some spandex shorts under the skirt or not having such a skimpy skirt? I am not blaming the girls for what they wear but merely saying that if you want to protect your privacy you need to protect your privacy. If a man gets a 13 yr old to pose in a park then I will first wonder where her parents are and wonder what upbringing she has had. If it was my girl I would then wonder where I would bury the guy so no one would find him. Also, in such an event there would likely be other charges applicable but I am not a lawyer. How would you like it if it happened to you? I never wear anything with a hem line above my knees. I'm not a hoor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I don't have the answer on how to prevent it, maybe wearing some spandex shorts under the skirt or not having such a skimpy skirt? I am not blaming the girls for what they wear but merely saying that if you want to protect your privacy you need to protect your privacy. Upskirt porn never made sense to me, as it seems more creepy than anyting else, but I suspect the guys who are into it find what the girl is wearing to be secondary to everything that leads up to getting the picture. She could be wearing cast-iron underwear and they probably don't care too much as long as they get the shot. In other words, the only way they could probably protect themselves from these dudes is to, y'know, wear pants. I mean, to my knowledge, no one ever took an upskirt shot of Hillary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 I am not saying it is ok. I am not excusing it because that's just messed up. I am saying that legally it is just a very grey area that I would rather not have. I don't have the answer on how to prevent it, maybe wearing some spandex shorts under the skirt or not having such a skimpy skirt? I am not blaming the girls for what they wear but merely saying that if you want to protect your privacy you need to protect your privacy. If a man gets a 13 yr old to pose in a park then I will first wonder where her parents are and wonder what upbringing she has had. If it was my girl I would then wonder where I would bury the guy so no one would find him. Also, in such an event there would likely be other charges applicable but I am not a lawyer. I never wear anything with a hem line above my knees. I'm not a hoor. So, anyone wearing a skirt that ends above the knee is a whore? I suppose your religion doesn't allow dancing or reading the comics on Sunday either. Upskirt porn never made sense to me, as it seems more creepy than anyting else, but I suspect the guys who are into it find what the girl is wearing to be secondary to everything that leads up to getting the picture. She could be wearing cast-iron underwear and they probably don't care too much as long as they get the shot. In other words, the only way they could probably protect themselves from these dudes is to, y'know, wear pants. I mean, to my knowledge, no one ever took an upskirt shot of Hillary. There is no way Hillary is going to wear a skirt and risk someone seeing the outline of her dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) will it be just a legal if I were to kick his azz if it were my daughter, or niece? Upskirt porn never made sense to me, as it seems more creepy than anyting else, but I suspect the guys who are into it find what the girl is wearing to be secondary to everything that leads up to getting the picture. She could be wearing cast-iron underwear and they probably don't care too much as long as they get the shot. In other words, the only way they could probably protect themselves from these dudes is to, y'know, wear pants. I mean, to my knowledge, no one ever took an upskirt shot of Hillary. it would if they go commando Edited February 11, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Upskirt porn never made sense to me, as it seems more creepy than anyting else, but I suspect the guys who are into it find what the girl is wearing to be secondary to everything that leads up to getting the picture. She could be wearing cast-iron underwear and they probably don't care too much as long as they get the shot. In other words, the only way they could probably protect themselves from these dudes is to, y'know, wear pants. I mean, to my knowledge, no one ever took an upskirt shot of Hillary. one of the few laws of the internet is rule 34. If it exists there is porn of it. Sure 20 years ago things were different but we still had people like we do today. Crossdressing perverts who rubbed one out to pictures of old ladies farting in cakes, for instance. So to say no one upskirted Hillary, I call BS. Google it, dare you. I have seen more on the internet then 99.9% of the members of this place. Not all of that porn, either. But, there are a lot of creeps out there. You simply can't stop them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 it would if they go commando Not really. If I want to see a vagina, there are about a million different ways to find them without having to settle for what is essentially a grainy, dark, black and white image that looks like it was taken through the bottom of a Coca-cola bottle. That's why I suggest it's *mostly* the thrill of taking the photo that motivates those who like this kind of thing, not the actual photo itself. Besides, I'm a breast guy anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) Not really. If I want to see a vagina, there are about a million different ways to find them without having to settle for what is essentially a grainy, dark, black and white image that looks like it was taken through the bottom of a Coca-cola bottle. That's why I suggest it's *mostly* the thrill of taking the photo that motivates those who like this kind of thing, not the actual photo itself. Besides, I'm a breast guy anyway. So you support taking these pictures? amazing... Edited February 11, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 So you support taking these pictures? amazing... it is not support that people are saying. It is speaking out against taking another right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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