BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 I know this is a view widely held on this forum about QBs in general, but it is wrong. It depends on what you are talking about specifically. Specific plays and specific approaches to specific defenses filled with college (and not NFL) quality talent are arguably not that relevant to the NFL. But a QBs core "transferrable skills" are completely relevant. Bottom line - Did the Bills under EJ win or lose more than Glennon and the Bucs?
Solomon Grundy Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 So we like a guy with less mobility than Orton behind a bad blocking line. I stay far far far away thank you. He's a better option than Jeff Tuel! Can Glennon skills equate to Drew Bledsoe? Both tall, strong armed, somewhat accurate QBs with limited mobility. If Glennon can be the Buffalo Bills Drew Bledsoe with our defense, then count me in. Remember Agent 91, I was all for the Bills drafting him when he came out.
peterpan Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 Let me reiterate Their (EJ Detractors) straw man argument is everyone else shows more promise but EJ well, I would argue that a 81% increase in Touchdown passes should be considered more promise. Would you agree?
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 well, I would argue that a 81% increase in Touchdown passes should be considered more promise. Would you agree? When those passes depend on 10 other people who aren't constant between the 2 QB's as well as the person calling the plays and coordinating all of those people and their differences in philosophy, no. It's comparing grapefruits and bananas.
billykaykay Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 So we like a guy with less mobility than Orton behind a bad blocking line. I stay far far far away thank you. He has more mobility than Orton. And I agree with House - Glennon may prove to be better than Tannenhill. At least, he throws a good deep ball. Just needs a little coaching. I guess the same could be said for EJ.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) well, I would argue that a 81% increase in Touchdown passes should be considered more promise. Would you agree? No, not necessarily. What counts is the W. Second to that would be total points scored. Relying on passing yards alone is a mistake. Like wearing blinders. Please create an EJ is a loser thread for you and your brother detractors. I promise I won't post there. Edited February 10, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever
Mr. WEO Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 I hear teams favor Glennon over Winston or Marriota...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 well, I would argue that a 81% increase in Touchdown passes should be considered more promise. Would you agree? Maybe. Who has an 81% increase in TD passes? This is where statistics get a bad rap. Glennon has thrown 29 TD passes in 19 games (1.52 TD/game). Manuel has thrown 16 TD passes in 15 games (1.066 TD/game) If you simply divide 29 TD by 16 TD, you get 1.81, or 81% increase. But that's not appropriate, right? We need to take the number of games into account. Otherwise we'd be taking a crap QB with a long career and saying he's as good or better than a star QB with a shorter career (George Blanda vs Jim Kelly, anyone?) When we do that, we see 1.52/1.07, which is a 42% increase - probably significant, but not as impressive as 82%, and as others have said, one must take the OL quality and the play-calling into account as well. I think Glennon is a promising young QB. I'd be happy to have him as a Bill. But I think the Tampa GM would have to be partying with Freeman to take a late-round pick for a promising young QB given what else is on the roster, even if he plans to draft or bring in another QB and his HC is suffering from McCown blinders. Injuries, injuries....
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 Can't do much better this offseason. Get him for a 3rd or 4th and have him and a veteran compete with EJ.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 Maybe. Who has an 81% increase in TD passes? This is where statistics get a bad rap. Glennon has thrown 29 TD passes in 19 games (1.52 TD/game). Manuel has thrown 16 TD passes in 15 games (1.066 TD/game) If you simply divide 29 TD by 16 TD, you get 1.81, or 81% increase. But that's not appropriate, right? We need to take the number of games into account. Otherwise we'd be taking a crap QB with a long career and saying he's as good or better than a star QB with a shorter career (George Blanda vs Jim Kelly, anyone?) When we do that, we see 1.52/1.07, which is a 42% increase - probably significant, but not as impressive as 82%, and as others have said, one must take the OL quality and the play-calling into account as well. I think Glennon is a promising young QB. I'd be happy to have him as a Bill. But I think the Tampa GM would have to be partying with Freeman to take a late-round pick for a promising young QB given what else is on the roster, even if he plans to draft or bring in another QB and his HC is suffering from McCown blinders. Injuries, injuries.... I think his tights are a bit too tight and it has messed with his thinking. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS. - W. C. Fields
Jobu Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 I want EJ to get a fair shot. EJ was our draft pick, and I like the kid--he has all the tools, just needs to put it together. That being said. I think Glennon would be the best guy to bring in for competition. Let the cream rise to the top. I would not be surprised at all if that was EJ.
Agent 91 Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 He's a better option than Jeff Tuel! Can Glennon skills equate to Drew Bledsoe? Both tall, strong armed, somewhat accurate QBs with limited mobility. If Glennon can be the Buffalo Bills Drew Bledsoe with our defense, then count me in. Remember Agent 91, I was all for the Bills drafting him when he came out. As soon as i saw this thread i was looking for your post. He has more mobility than Orton. And I agree with House - Glennon may prove to be better than Tannenhill. At least, he throws a good deep ball. Just needs a little coaching. I guess the same could be said for EJ. I honestly see no mobility. But who knows. Orton may or not have made it in as soon as he got his check. I wouldnt be comfortable with glennon movement skill behind this line
Solomon Grundy Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 As soon as i saw this thread i was looking for your post. I honestly see no mobility. But who knows. Orton may or not have made it in as soon as he got his check. I wouldnt be comfortable with glennon movement skill behind this line LOL
Kemp2Warlick Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 Interesting analysis from F.O. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb....Glennonis lower in rank than Orton/Hoyer/Cousins...but in Espn QBR is ranked much higher. Also Sanchez has a higher QBR but just above Orton/Hoyer in F.O. rankings.
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 Of course, he's a trade candidate. The Bucs wil ltake whatever they can get for him. He would be a solid backup. It sounds mean but I can never see him being the face of a franchise. He is just a meh kinda prospect.
st pete gogolak Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 Really funny title to the thread. I live in St. Petersburg FL and I can assure you, Mike Glennon created no buzz whatsoever when he was actually playing football for the Bucs.
Kemp2Warlick Posted February 11, 2015 Posted February 11, 2015 Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 2m2 minutes ago Buccaneers announced they released QB Josh McCown, the top free-agent QB from last off-season......probably going to keep Glennon
YoloinOhio Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 @Cianaf: Sounds fair RT @caplannfl Feeling in league circles is TB, should they be willing to trade Glennon, would yield as high as a 3rd-round pick.
Sojourner Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 Ah yes, the amazing Mike Glennon! Talented guy. The fact the Bucs will have acquired two QB's for starter purposes in as many years says enough.
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