aristocrat Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I'd be looking to sign him to a shorter deal. Maybe 3yrs max value 45m if he his all incentives. A $100m contract for Tannehill at this point would scare the crap out of me if I were the Dolphins FO. He's only 27 into this year. He hasn't missed a game and coming off two very solid seasons. If he keeps up the 4k yards and td to int ratio he has its well worth it. Do you look for competition for him? Absolutely. The pats draft a qb every year it seems. But until you find that replacement tannehill is a very good option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) He is going to be a good QB for a long time, question is will he be great. I think he is right there in that 10-15 range. He passes the eye test. Looks in control and decisive. Pretty good accuracy on intermediate passes. Dolphins have developed him right. I can see a break into elite status next year. Edited February 10, 2015 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 He is going to be a good QB, question is will he be great. I think he is right there in that 10-15 range. He passes the eye test. Looks in control and decisive. Pretty good accuracy on intermediate passes. Dolphins have developed him right. I can see a break into elite status next year. I don't see him going anywhere... That team is about to get worse. They are already cap strapped and Tannehill hasn't lead them anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) I don't see him going anywhere... That team is about to get worse. They are already cap strapped and Tannehill hasn't lead them anywhere.What do you mean? I think your problem is that you want to skip the development part of drafting a QB. He has improved each year. Their offense jumped to 11th in points in his 3rd year. His record is decent for a young QB. I would be thrilled to have seen EJ have similar development, but Marrone selfishly ruined that opportunity. I predict a huge year in 2015 as long as Miami doesn't take away weapons. Talk they may trade Mike Wallace and let clay walk. Edited February 10, 2015 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) That's kind of my point. That isn't the goal. The Bills are going to have to get lucky to find their guy. They are going to need to get an RG or SB with natural talent that made them top 2 picks and bring it out of them. You are not content with an Orton so you are still looking for your guy. He is just filling in while a team like Miami is building around Tannehill now. Do you think that you can win a Super Bowl with Ryan Tannehill?? I don't and that is the goal. I think that the guy is pretty good. His ceiling to me is Alex Smith which MAY in a perfect scenario allow you to compete for a championship. There are others in that boat (Cincy, Arizona, Chicago, etc...). They get decent QB play that can have them in the playoffs but I am not sure that those guys can win. It's a tough situation to be in because there are so few top end, franchise guys out there. You don't need a top 5 QB to win a championship. It certainly helps, but it's not an absolute necessity. Tannehill won't carry a team to a championship, at least right now, but he most certainly can be a part of a very good team that wins one. You put him on the Bills, improve the OL, and add one more playmaker on offense, and you have a very scary team. And lets remember, he just completed year three of his career... QB careers are very long these days, and most QBs don't light up the league right away. What do you mean? I think your problem is that you want to skip the development part of drafting a QB. He has improved each year. Their offense jumped to 11th in points in his 3rd year. His record is decent for a young QB. I would be thrilled to have seen EJ have similar development, but Marrone selfishly ruined that opportunity. I predict a huge year in 2015 as long as Miami doesn't take away weapons. Talk they may trade Mike Wallace and let clay walk. Seems everyone has. If you don't get in the Pro-Bowl your first year or two, you're an average at best bust of a QB. Edited February 10, 2015 by Dorkington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 He's only 27 into this year. He hasn't missed a game and coming off two very solid seasons. If he keeps up the 4k yards and td to int ratio he has its well worth it. Do you look for competition for him? Absolutely. The pats draft a qb every year it seems. But until you find that replacement tannehill is a very good option.I have no problem with him as an "very good option". I have a problem signing him to a contract worth $100 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I have no problem with him as an "very good option". I have a problem signing him to a contract worth $100 million. If Miami doesn't, someone else will. It's a high demand/very important position, and very few options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) I have no problem with him as an "very good option". I have a problem signing him to a contract worth $100 million.That's the problem. Agents have teams by the balls. You almost wish for the 6 year deals of old if you draft a QB and he is good enough for a 2nd deal. Now QBs not quite good enough yet are getting huge deals entering year 4. Edited February 10, 2015 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) If Miami doesn't, someone else will. It's a high demand/very important position, and very few options. Would you have signed Dalton, Kaepernick, Alex Smith, Palmer and Cutler as well? For me I would have Kaepenick and Alex Smith. I have no faith in the other 2 (Cutler and Dalton) and Tannehill somewhere in that above group (not sure where). It's a tough situation because it's hard to find a franchise guy; but you can't make a franchise commitment to a middle of the road guy. That's a recipe for mediocrity IMO. If your goal is a borderline playoff team than those guys are fine. Outside of Kaepernick who was on the best team in football non of those guys has competed beyond that level. Edited February 10, 2015 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Would you have signed Dalton, Kaepernick, Alex Smith and Cutler as well? For me I would have Kaepenick and Alex Smith. I have no faith in the other 2 and Tannehill somewhere in that group (not sure where). It's a tough situation because it's hard to find a franchise guy but you can't make a franchise commitment to a middle of the road guy. That's a recipe for mediocrity IMO. If your goal is a borderline playoff team than those guys are fine. Outside of Kaepernick who was on the bests team in football non of those guys has competed beyond that level. Yes you have to sign them. That is actually the going rate now for QBs like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Yes you have to sign them. That is actually the going rate now for QBs like that. I know that you have to sign them but it's a sticky situation is the point. Could Cincinnati have let Dalton go after he led them to the playoffs for the 1st time in a decade (or whatever)? Of course not but in a moment of candor do you think that the Bengals people believe that they can win a Super Bowl with Andy Dalton under center? It is a tough, tough situation. At this point to me Tannehill is in that Dalton league. It is like QB purgatory. Would you rather spend 7 years in QB purgatory or 2 years in QB hell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 That's kind of my point. That isn't the goal. The Bills are going to have to get lucky to find their guy. They are going to need to get an RG or SB with natural talent that made them top 2 picks and bring it out of them. You are not content with an Orton so you are still looking for your guy. He is just filling in while a team like Miami is building around Tannehill now. Do you think that you can win a Super Bowl with Ryan Tannehill?? I don't and that is the goal. I think that the guy is pretty good. His ceiling to me is Alex Smith which MAY in a perfect scenario allow you to compete for a championship. There are others in that boat (Cincy, Arizona, Chicago, etc...). They get decent QB play that can have them in the playoffs but I am not sure that those guys can win. It's a tough situation to be in because there are so few top end, franchise guys out there. That's a crazy argument to me. You have to make the playoffs to have a chance to win the Super Bowl. Did the Bengals or the Bills have a better chance to win the Super Bowl last year? Should the Ravens have been looking for a guy to replace Flacco his first 4 years? He didn't reach the "goal." He just won a few playoff games, lost a few. Didn't reach the end goal. Should they have tossed him? Were they worse off competing in the postseason with Flacco than the Bills were with Trent under center? I'm sorry, but I see your argument as a contrived way to be able to say, "I'm happy with an incompetent QB and/or not making the postseason because, in some convoluted way, we have a better chance of winning the Super Bowl." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) That's a crazy argument to me. You have to make the playoffs to have a chance to win the Super Bowl. Did the Bengals or the Bills have a better chance to win the Super Bowl last year? Should the Ravens have been looking for a guy to replace Flacco his first 4 years? He didn't reach the "goal." He just won a few playoff games, lost a few. Didn't reach the end goal. Should they have tossed him? Were they worse off competing in the postseason with Flacco than the Bills were with Trent under center? I'm sorry, but I see your argument as a contrived way to be able to say, "I'm happy with an incompetent QB and/or not making the postseason because, in some convoluted way, we have a better chance of winning the Super Bowl." Let me try to clear it up then. Would you rather be the Bengals tied to Dalton for 6 years at $19M a year or TB with the chance to pick Jameis or Mariota on a rookie deal? To me the answer is the unknown is better than someone that I don't believe can win a title. It happens all of the time on sports (especially basketball). You are much better off being really bad than as a borderline playoff team. It is hard to get out of that spot. You are never bad enough to acquire franchise type players (Dareus & Sammy) and not good enough to overcome the elite teams. That's the way that sports work. The teams in the middle forever are in the middle. Flacco is a bit of an anomaly because he is statistically one of the greatest playoff QBs of all-time. He has proven to be worth it. He won a Super Bowl prior to getting his big deal. It's apples and oranges a little bit. To the Bengals point this is where we differ. I see the Bengals as having no chance of winning as long as Dalton is there. If he is there another 5 years than I believe that the Bills have a better chance. Until we know who the guy is under center for the Bills the answer is that we dont know if they can win. If it is EJ I would say that neither team can win a Super Bowl as currently constructed. If it is Bradford for example than I think that the Bills have a better shot. Edited February 10, 2015 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Would you rather be the Bengals tied to Dalton for 6 years at $19M a year or TB with the chance to pick Jameis or Mariota on a rookie deal? What people don't understand is that the Bengals aren't tied to Dalton for 6 years. His contract is essentially a 2-3 year "prove-it" deal that they can walk away from with minimal damage. It's the "new" QB contract for 2nd tier guys. Tannehill will most likely get the same treatment. Andy Dalton's new contract rightly pays him like a 2nd-tier QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 What people don't understand is that the Bengals aren't tied to Dalton for 6 years. His contract is essentially a 2-3 year "prove-it" deal that they can walk away from with minimal damage. It's the "new" QB contract for 2nd tier guys. Tannehill will most likely get the same treatment. Andy Dalton's new contract rightly pays him like a 2nd-tier QB He has at least a $4.8M dead money hit all of the way through 2018 and significantly larger in previous years. They are tied to him for at least another 4. If they cut ties sooner and have an $8M QB for example they are still paying $16M a year for the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) I know that you have to sign them but it's a sticky situation is the point. Could Cincinnati have let Dalton go after he led them to the playoffs for the 1st time in a decade (or whatever)? Of course not but in a moment of candor do you think that the Bengals people believe that they can win a Super Bowl with Andy Dalton under center? It is a tough, tough situation. At this point to me Tannehill is in that Dalton league. It is like QB purgatory. Would you rather spend 7 years in QB purgatory or 2 years in QB hell? No one knows. Not many QBs become elite in their 1st 3 years. Ravens had Joe Flacco on an old rookie deal. Didnt sign him until after year 5. Flacco was a Tannehill or Dalton type his 1st 3-4 years. Then year 5 won the Super Bowl. Eli Manning as well, won year 4. QBs dont hit their prime IMO until 28. Prime years for a qb are 28-33. Edited February 10, 2015 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) No one knows. Not many QBs become elite in their 1st 3 years. Ravens had Joe Flacco on an old rookie deal. Didnt sign him until after year 5. Flacco was a Tannehill or Dalton type his 1st 3-4 years. Then year 5 won the Super Bowl. Eli Manning as well, won year 4. QBs dont hit their prime IMO until 28. Prime years for a qb are 28-33. That's the crux of my argument. It's tough to commit that kind of cap space to a guy with tons of questions. Flacco was a SB champ (and almost went the year before) prior to signing his big deal. Dalton has been a DISASTER in the playoffs. He's a real life example that maybe illustrates my point: I would rather have Locker ($5M), Incognito ($2.25M) and Iupati ($7.75M) than Tannehill at $15M. That's all that I am saying. Edited February 10, 2015 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) That's the crux of my argument. It's tough to commit that kind of cap space to a guy with tons of questions. Flacco was a SB champ (and almost went the year before) prior to signing his big deal. Dalton has been a DISASTER in the playoffs. Me Personnally,You have a franchise tag for a reason. So let Tannehlll play out his contract and then sign him, franchise him or whatever. Worst case is Tannehill is great and you have to pay him more. I think GMs are convincing owners that if we sign him now we save $50 million over the length of the contract. GM is happy, he at least has a qb locked up, owner happy because he thinks he is saving money. Edited February 10, 2015 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 If Tannehill was a Bill, he would be the next Jim Kelly to Bills fans. Some of you posters are funny. The guy has improved each year in the league, stayed healthy, is athletic, seems like a good leader and willing to get better. We haven't had a QB as good has him since Kelly retired... serious talk. He just went for 4k yards, 27 TD and 12 INT in his 3rd year on a team with a putrid line. He is a better player than Dalton for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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