BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 (edited) Whatever dude. I never said don't get vaccinated. You said you can't get the disease if you are vaccinated. Remember? it was about 30 minutes ago. And what do I care what most people think anyway? I think both borders should be secure and all points of entry. So Canadians annoy me the most. Sue me. I'm sure some Mexicans brought measles in too. Maybe even more Mexicans because I'm not sure measles can even survive in the cold weather. I did? in those exact words? Please quote it. by saying If Americans got shots for their kids only the foreigners would get sick. isn't a guarantee of anything. Why bother. You won't listen to reason. How can someone who spends as much time here as you do manage to get continually baited by crayonz? stupidity I guess.. Edited February 11, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 LOL of course not. so I'm not sure if you are for or against the Jews? Don't have much of an opinion. I was simply pointing out that much of the NWO and related conspiracy theories involve, on some level, anti-Semitism. You'll find that most people who believe things similar to you (not necessarily Christian, though) are also well-versed in things like Holocaust denial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I did? in those exact words? Please quote it. by saying If Americans got shots for their kids only the foreigners would get sick. isn't a guarantee of anything. Why bother. You won't listen to reason. stupidity I guess.. Have you ever looked up the meaning of the word "only"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 There is not a measles epidemic. Say it with me: "there is not a measles epidemic". There are roughly 150 cases limited to 14 states. Since when do we build public policy centered around the violation of rights based on such a diminishing my small sample of the larger population? Out of some 20 million global cases of measles, roughly 650 reported cases occurred within the United States in 2014. Sensationalism aside, why is this even a topic of discussion? The CDC will likely rule, as usual, the the pocket outbreaks were root caused by migration from a low vaccination country. The sky is not falling. As for the anti-vaxxers? They're morons, and everyone should get their children vaccinated, but forcibly doing so isn't just immoral from a rights perspective, it's also lazy public policy, which is almost as bad. The role of the government here should be partnership with caregivers and medical professionals as well as charities to educate, especially amongst the immigrant population. There must be an epidemic of something!! Ebola is so 2014.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 So, let's say the government took you a gunpoint and said, "Vaccinate or we shoot you." Are you being convinced or forced? I mean, you can still make a choice, even if you die. The fact that the consequences are too heavy to consider shows that it is working. Thank goodness we cleared that up. See, that would be a choice; but that's a straw man, as no choice has been offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 There is not a measles epidemic. Say it with me: "there is not a measles epidemic". There's not a measles PANDEMIC. There is a measles epidemic. There are roughly 150 cases limited to 14 states. That's considered an epidemic. AMA code of ethics section 8.08 - informed consent: The patient’s right of self-decision can be effectively exercised only if the patient possesses enough information to enable an informed choice. The patient should make his or her own determination about treatment. The physician's obligation is to present the medical facts accurately to the patient or to the individual responsible for the patient’s care and to make recommendations for management in accordance with good medical practice. The physician has an ethical obligation to help the patient make choices from among the therapeutic alternatives consistent with good medical practice. Informed consent is a basic policy in both ethics and LAW that physicians must honor ... http://www.naturalnews.com/048571_mandatory_vaccines_code_of_ethics_American_Medical_Association.html What does it say about uninformed non-consent of people who gets all their information from ignorant sources like Natural News or Mercola? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 There's not a measles PANDEMIC. There is a measles epidemic. That's considered an epidemic. Measles is spreading quickly, and affects many people at the same time? This outbreak substantially exceeds the expected national outbreak over the course of a year? 150 cases, limited to 14 states qualifies? It's not an epidemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Measles is spreading quickly, and affects many people at the same time? This outbreak substantially exceeds the expected national outbreak over the course of a year? 150 cases, limited to 14 states qualifies? It's not an epidemic. An epidemic can be local, and only has to exceed the expected local case rate over a period of time that can be much smaller than a year. 37 cases of measles at Disneyland in three months exceeds the typical Disneyland case rate by a wide margin. 88 cases in California the past two months exceeds by a wide margin the typical number of annual cases for California. The Pennsylvania Amish case rate alone is about twice as many cases as the nation has seen in the past 20 years. It's an epidemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 An epidemic can be local, and only has to exceed the expected local case rate over a period of time that can be much smaller than a year. 37 cases of measles at Disneyland in three months exceeds the typical Disneyland case rate by a wide margin. 88 cases in California the past two months exceeds by a wide margin the typical number of annual cases for California. The Pennsylvania Amish case rate alone is about twice as many cases as the nation has seen in the past 20 years. It's an epidemic. The WHO disagrees with you. They would classify this as an outbreak. An empidemic is a term reserved for diseases which rapidly spread to many people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 See, that would be a choice; but that's a straw man, as no choice has been offered. So you're okay with that? I mean, they're offering a choice. No violation of rights there. Making a choice at gunpoint is preferable to forced vaccinations. So why don't we do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Do not want to be vaccinated then put a big N V on there face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 So you're okay with that? I mean, they're offering a choice. No violation of rights there. Making a choice at gunpoint is preferable to forced vaccinations. So why don't we do that?Reductio ad absurdium. Try offering an argument that's not a logical fallacy. I'll note that you didn't respond to the part of my post which spoke to the 0.3% domestic fatality rate, which statistically yields a total death toll of fewer than two in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 The WHO disagrees with you. They would classify this as an outbreak. An empidemic is a term reserved for diseases which rapidly spread to many people. And the CDC disagrees with you. Take it up with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 There is not a measles epidemic. Say it with me: "there is not a measles epidemic". There are roughly 150 cases limited to 14 states. Since when do we build public policy centered around the violation of rights based on such a diminishing my small sample of the larger population? Out of some 20 million global cases of measles, roughly 650 reported cases occurred within the United States in 2014. Sensationalism aside, why is this even a topic of discussion? The CDC will likely rule, as usual, the the pocket outbreaks were root caused by migration from a low vaccination country. The sky is not falling. As for the anti-vaxxers? They're morons, and everyone should get their children vaccinated, but forcibly doing so isn't just immoral from a rights perspective, it's also lazy public policy, which is almost as bad. The role of the government here should be partnership with caregivers and medical professionals as well as charities to educate, especially amongst the immigrant population. Holy crap TakeToTask I agree with you! Especially the bolded part. When there is a full court press going on, media, Obama and just about everyone else to either force inoculation or promote it, I get nervous they are going to overpower our rights, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 And the CDC disagrees with you. Take it up with them. After you take it up with the WHO.Holy crap TakeToTask I agree with you! Especially the bolded part. When there is a full court press going on, media, Obama and just about everyone else to either force inoculation or promote it, I get nervous they are going to overpower our rights, again. The more often you agree with me, the more often you'll find yourself being right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 And the CDC disagrees with you. Take it up with them. The same CDC that places a 17 year old shooting another 17 year old under children killed by guns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 The same CDC that places a 17 year old shooting another 17 year old under children killed by guns? It is child gun violence. Adulthood doesn't legally start until 18. After you take it up with the WHO. I don't need to take it up with the WHO. It's the CDC's responsibility to determine what is and is not an epidemic in the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 The more often you agree with me, the more often you'll find yourself being right. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 Reductio ad absurdium. Try offering an argument that's not a logical fallacy. I'll note that you didn't respond to the part of my post which spoke to the 0.3% domestic fatality rate, which statistically yields a total death toll of fewer than two in 2014. I'm trying to figure out your beliefs. I'd argue a choice between death and submission is not a choice at all. Never saw the fatality rate post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 (edited) I'm trying to figure out your beliefs. I'd argue a choice between death and submission is not a choice at all. Never saw the fatality rate post. My beliefs on the topic are posted in the thread. Start on page four. I don't need to take it up with the WHO. It's the CDC's responsibility to determine what is and is not an epidemic in the United States.Yes you do, and further, you know why you do Then take it up with the CDC, who are still classifying as and outbreak. Edited February 12, 2015 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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