BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 I do find it funny how the entire room at the party I was at went from "Is Belichick really not going to call a time out?" to "They passed? From the 1? With Lynch? WTF?" in half a second
NoSaint Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) Yes, but that was the first reaction that came to everyone's mind, because it was such a horrific call. Then when you take a step back, you can rationalize a pass, especially on 2nd down. But, absolutely, positively not that pass, out of that formation, to that WR. fair enough. having not really seen the replays.... was there anything back side of the formation or a second WR on the play if the jam worked? really, it surprised me when wilson said "that was the call, what am i supposed to do" (or something similar in sentiment). I figured they would trot him out there with either 2 play calls or some sort of packaged play with an option for him to make a read (both a run/pass read and a him/marshawn read built in). Edited February 2, 2015 by NoSaint
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 fair enough. having not really seen the replays.... was there anything back side of the formation or a second WR on the play if the jam worked? really, it surprised me when wilson said "that was the call, what am i supposed to do" (or something similar in sentiment). I figured they would trot him out there with either 2 play calls or some sort of packaged play with an option for him to make a read. I didn't review it myself, but Herm Edwards mentioned on Mike and Mike that one side (I believe the left) was a hat on a hat, and a read option call likely results in a TD
CardinalScotts Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 they hit a couple of jump balls .....that doesnt mean you junk what you have done for 4 years - but they did. New England scores with 8 minutes and change Seattle goes 3 and out 2 passes incomplete gives ball back to NE. Then with game on the line again they let Wilson throw it- not off play action. Then Pete Carroll says Patriots were bringing in their goal line defense...yes Pete your at the 1 did that catch you by suprise ? Seattle was fortunate to be at the game and they outplayed New England for 53 minutes then pulled a Green Bay
aristocrat Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Yea, if Bevell thought he was getting a head coach job after this game but he might not hang on to his job after this. Just a ridiculous call . It really is funny how us as fans just see these coaches and how they out think themselves constantly. Seattle throwing down the sideline late in the 3rd on a 3rd and 3 play after a pats 3 and out(lot of 3's) and inside the 50. Should have been a higher percentage play and something thrown right at the chains. Kearse did almost come down with it but I thought seattle lost momentum right there.
billsfan1959 Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 maybe im reading it wrong but i was seeing a TON of "HOW DO YOU CALL A PASS PLAY THERE?!?!?!?!" i dont think 1 pass was crazy. if they did the niners 4 straight passes, then you call them out. but i agree it wouldnt be my #1 pass play to dial up. You are not reading things wrong. It has been non stop criticism about calling a passing play (any passing play) rather than a run. While I tend to believe their strength is running the ball, I don't have a problem calling a pass play. Like you, that particular play might not have been my first choice; however, it wasn't exactly well executed either. I do find the reaction to that play somewhat interesting. IMO, had it been a completed pass for a touchdown, this board would have been filled with posts about Wilson and the execution of the play with little to no mention of the OC. Instead, the play doesn't work and it is all about the OC and little to no mention of the execution.
GG Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 fair enough. having not really seen the replays.... was there anything back side of the formation or a second WR on the play if the jam worked? really, it surprised me when wilson said "that was the call, what am i supposed to do" (or something similar in sentiment). I figured they would trot him out there with either 2 play calls or some sort of packaged play with an option for him to make a read (both a run/pass read and a him/marshawn read built in). I can't paste the screenshot, but Marshawn had the same break on Collins that he had on the long sideline catch. He would have easily been three steps ahead running alone to the corner. Safe pass that results in one of three things, TD, Incomplete or PI
ricojes Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) Yes, but that was the first reaction that came to everyone's mind, because it was such a horrific call. Then when you take a step back, you can rationalize a pass, especially on 2nd down. But, absolutely, positively not that pass, out of that formation, to that WR. This is exactly it. I shouted worst call ever after the play unfolded, but today I actaully don't think it was a bad call. It was a horrible decision by Wilson to throw the ball over the middle, but not a bad decision to pass. You have to throw a fade or something that has a low percentage of your team catching it and zero chance of your opponent catching it. Then you have 3rd and 1 with 20 something seconds and a timout. That's a nice situation. But poor execution on second down... Edited February 2, 2015 by ricojes
PromoTheRobot Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 he knew the play call before the snapI had the same thought for a moment. This isn't the first time I've seen a Patriot* make an amazing game-saving defensive play. Somehow they always seem to know what's coming. Maybe that's why the called the pass? They remember the Pats* stuffing the Colts at the goal line to win the AFC Championship. Somehow they were waiting at every run gap.
TheFunPolice Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Patriots* have great coaching... it's that simple Players are prepared for every eventuality.
PromoTheRobot Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Patriots* have great coaching... it's that simple Players are prepared for every eventuality. I don't think that's humanly possible. No one is that perfect for that long without help.
TheFunPolice Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 It's actually not all that difficult. It's just that 90% of NFL coaches are some version of a meathead jock. Right from central casting: spit flying, gatorade tossing, yell and scream at guys. There are very few who truly prepare players to play SMART and take advantage. Belicick is the best at that.
negativo Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Easily the worst call ever, and also the worst excuses by a coach ever. Whining you were caught off guard they had a goal line defense, so you figured you'd throw the ball since you had the wrong personnel? Who the !@#$ DOESN'T expect goal line defense on the goal line, and who the !@#$ DOESN'T put out their goal line offense on the goal line? Maybe the easiest call in football. How are you not prepared for this? How do you get caught by surprise by a goal line at the goal line? STFU, Petey. You're making yourself look even worse.
NoSaint Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 I can't paste the screenshot, but Marshawn had the same break on Collins that he had on the long sideline catch. He would have easily been three steps ahead running alone to the corner. Safe pass that results in one of three things, TD, Incomplete or PI it sounds like the biggest thing is wilson either misreading the browner jam successfully giving butler a pretty clean run, or just misfired the throw to far ahead. the play call, while not ideal, wouldve been celebrated if he hit a guy walking into the endzone alone (ie if the top receiver got off the line better or they went back side) the wilson comment still really surprised me though. either it was a straight lie, or they didnt trust him to have any decisions on the play call at the line. i guess with the clock ticking there you want to hurry and get 1 in, and then have the 2 plays where you have plenty of time and a fully open play book.
TheFunPolice Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Patriots* get into your head so much that if you have the ball on the freaking 1/2 yard line with the SB on the line YOU are afraid! Imagine that!
NoSaint Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) I had the same thought for a moment. This isn't the first time I've seen a Patriot* make an amazing game-saving defensive play. Somehow they always seem to know what's coming. Maybe that's why the called the pass? They remember the Pats* stuffing the Colts at the goal line to win the AFC Championship. Somehow they were waiting at every run gap.the kid says he got beat by the exact play in practice this week and had it drilled into his head how not to have it happen again. i think the hawks figured it bought them an extra shot if they pass, and that being against tendencies it may even work out..... but it seems like the pats picked up on that play in film study and knew a pass was on the table there. Edited February 2, 2015 by NoSaint
BuffaloWings Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 fair enough. having not really seen the replays.... was there anything back side of the formation or a second WR on the play if the jam worked? really, it surprised me when wilson said "that was the call, what am i supposed to do" (or something similar in sentiment). I figured they would trot him out there with either 2 play calls or some sort of packaged play with an option for him to make a read (both a run/pass read and a him/marshawn read built in). Yeah, he said he trusted the call that came in, but sounded like he didn't want to run that play. Why can't he audible or change to the run? If you really want to throw the ball there, it's gotta be a play action, a read option, or a fade to the back corner pylon.
Sisyphean Bills Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 With the entire season on the line, trying to jam the ball into a dixie cup sized window to a string-bean WR just doesn't make sense. (Lockette is not Gronk.) Throw it to the flat or a high fade in the corner if you think you have to throw it. They had downs and time. It's ridiculous to put the entire season of hard work up for grabs. You lose the ball there, you lose, deserve to lose, and people inside and outside the build lose confidence in your ability to make intelligent decisions. Also, yes, it was clear from the way it developed that the Patriots* had seen that play before and were totally prepared to defend it. Wilson could've maybe put the ball a little more behind the WR, perhaps, but the guy was going to be blown up, no question. Should never have taken the ball out of their best player's hands. It was a stupid call.
WotAGuy Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 "Worst play call ever" - Seattle Times http://seattletimes.com/html/home/index.html
ricojes Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Ouch, this isn't going to help: http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/2/2/7961801/darrell-bevell-ricardo-lockette-super-bowl-russell-wilson-interception-playcall
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