Mr. WEO Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 no it isnt actually Hence the Balcony reference? here we go... How do you imagine they did it in an open air stadium?
3rdand12 Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 How do you imagine they did it in an open air stadium? There are a multitude of ways create sound reverberations. such as s tighter bowl that gets vertical quickly. This stuff goes back to Roman times though. the amphitheater and stuff. Technology has come a long ways since then. I mean there is sound deadening material, just is there are great resonators. I am no expert. but its hardly farfetched.
Nervous Guy Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 It's done all the time apparently.... http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/04/17/san-francisco-49ers-new-levis-stadium-designed-to-rival-seahawks-stadium-for-crowd-noise-super-bowl-l-santa-clara-acoustic-guiness-record-12th-man/ "the new generation of stadiums now incorporate design features that help boost fan support by trapping and amplifying crowd noise. The most important aspects are to keep the size of the stadium as small as possible, and to provide reflecting surfaces that can turn the noise back to the crowd....The San Francisco 49ers’ new Levi’s Stadium, in Santa Clara, Calif., has been designed with this in mind. It’s small, and fits snugly into its dense urban location. One of the long sides of the oval has been truncated, with the media booths placed in a tower that reduces the footprint of the stadium and will help reflect sound back towards the fans....At the Seattle Seahawks’ CenturyLink Stadium the large overhanging roof reflects noise down towards the stands.
Mr. WEO Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 It's done all the time apparently.... http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/04/17/san-francisco-49ers-new-levis-stadium-designed-to-rival-seahawks-stadium-for-crowd-noise-super-bowl-l-santa-clara-acoustic-guiness-record-12th-man/ "the new generation of stadiums now incorporate design features that help boost fan support by trapping and amplifying crowd noise. The most important aspects are to keep the size of the stadium as small as possible, and to provide reflecting surfaces that can turn the noise back to the crowd....The San Francisco 49ers’ new Levi’s Stadium, in Santa Clara, Calif., has been designed with this in mind. It’s small, and fits snugly into its dense urban location. One of the long sides of the oval has been truncated, with the media booths placed in a tower that reduces the footprint of the stadium and will help reflect sound back towards the fans....At the Seattle Seahawks’ CenturyLink Stadium the large overhanging roof reflects noise down towards the stands. Well...there you go..
Greg F Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 How do you imagine they did it in an open air stadium? From Sound System Engineering by Don and Carolyn Davis: The Greeks built their amphitheaters to take advantage of the following acoustic facts: 1. They provided a back reflector for the performer 2. They increased the talkers acoustic output by by building megaphones into the special face masks they held in front of their faces to portray various emotions. 3. They sloped the audiences upward and around the talker at an included angle of approximately 120 degrees, realizing, as many modern designers do not seem to, that man does not talk out the of the back of his head. 4. They defocused the reflective "slapback" by changing the radius at the edges of the seating area. The theater at Epidaurus that seated 14,000. The theater, dating to the 4th century B.C. and arranged in 55 semi-circular rows, remains the great masterwork of Polykleitos the Younger. Audiences of up to an estimated 14,000 have long been able to hear actors and musicians--unamplified--from even the back row of the architectural masterpiece.
Mr. WEO Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 From Sound System Engineering by Don and Carolyn Davis: The theater at Epidaurus that seated 14,000. As someone else pointed out, they were engineering sound to travel from the center to the periphery.
Kelly the Dog Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 They don't need to be disciplined. The public shaming should be sufficient. Atlanta is right up there with phony sports cities like seattle and LA. Why is LA a phony sports city? There are a huge amount of Laker fans and a lot of bandwagons, too. Dodger fans are great. USC and UCLA fans are both pretty good (although USC is pretty snobby). Kings fans are pretty decent, the ones that know the game. Even Clippers fans are pretty good because they started liking the Clippers just because they didn't want to be Laker fans. The fans in LA overall aren't bad at all, especially considering the general public here.
peterpan Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 Seahawks have a stadium built to amplify crowd noise. They don't pipe it in off of loud speakers. They built the stadium to bypass a rule.The bills should do the exact same thing
Greg F Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 As someone else pointed out, they were engineering sound to travel from the center to the periphery. See item 1 from my previous post: 1. They provided a back reflector for the performer. Same physics as Nervous Guy posted: It's done all the time apparently.... http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/04/17/san-francisco-49ers-new-levis-stadium-designed-to-rival-seahawks-stadium-for-crowd-noise-super-bowl-l-santa-clara-acoustic-guiness-record-12th-man/ "the new generation of stadiums now incorporate design features that help boost fan support by trapping and amplifying crowd noise. The most important aspects are to keep the size of the stadium as small as possible, and to provide reflecting surfaces that can turn the noise back to the crowd....The San Francisco 49ers’ new Levi’s Stadium, in Santa Clara, Calif., has been designed with this in mind. It’s small, and fits snugly into its dense urban location. One of the long sides of the oval has been truncated, with the media booths placed in a tower that reduces the footprint of the stadium and will help reflect sound back towards the fans....At the Seattle Seahawks’ CenturyLink Stadium the large overhanging roof reflects noise down towards the stands. One more thing, sound is just another form of energy. They are not amplifying the sound, which would imply adding energy, they are just controlling where that energy goes.
Kelly the Dog Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 As someone else pointed out, they were engineering sound to travel from the center to the periphery. I've been to a couple games there. It's a really cool stadium to watch a game in. The levels seem to go straight up rather than back and up like most all other stadiums. You look down at a different angle but it's a very cool look at the game, and a cool looking stadium from inside and out.
Mr. WEO Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 See item 1 from my previous post: 1. They provided a back reflector for the performer. Same physics as Nervous Guy posted: One more thing, sound is just another form of energy. They are not amplifying the sound, which would imply adding energy, they are just controlling where that energy goes. Aren't the Falcons accused of amplifying the sound?
NoSaint Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 Aren't the Falcons accused of amplifying the sound? They are accused of playing noise on the PA system - The Hawks have had similar accusations before. Suspend them all.
Mr. WEO Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 They are accused of playing noise on the PA system - The Hawks have had similar accusations before. Suspend them all. But the Seahawks are using ancient design technology--who needs energy amplification?!
Greg F Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 Aren't the Falcons accused of amplifying the sound? It was directed at your misuse of the word 'amplification' in a previous post: It's hard to imagine that they were able to engineer the stadium to maximize sound amplification. They are not amplifying the sound, which would imply adding energy, they are just controlling where that energy goes.
Prickly Pete Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 (edited) There are plenty of ways to get crowd noise into the PA. An open announcers mic with some compression on it, maybe just turn the noise gate off or lower it's threshold when you want things louder. Edited February 1, 2015 by HoF Watkins
DC Tom Posted February 1, 2015 Posted February 1, 2015 As someone else pointed out, they were engineering sound to travel from the center to the periphery. One would think that, if the Greeks could figure out those acoustics 2500 years ago, that we'd maybe have advanced a little further since.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 cheaters I'd bet they get harsher punishment than the Cheatriots
NoSaint Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 I'd bet they get harsher punishment than the Cheatriots ultimately, id guess the two infractions arent wildly different in effect and you will see a fine, and possible draft pick based on extent of what happened/can be proved.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) ultimately, id guess the two infractions arent wildly different in effect and you will see a fine, and possible draft pick based on extent of what happened/can be proved. depending on how you view it. Deflategate WRT fumbles is a factor in every game for the past 7+ seasons, pumping in crowd noise is akin the "technical" difficulties to visiting teams in NE* marginally 8 per season. Edited February 2, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever
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