BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 NFL Commissioner wants the Buffalo Bills to have a new “Next Generation” Stadium
yungmack Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Just to be clear, I was not suggesting Gehry should be the architect (though I'd be interested to see his concept). Rather , I am hoping for some "outside the box" thinking instead of the usual sterile approach. And I agree Main Place must go, along with the Skyway and perhaps the snake nest of ugly highways in the immediate area. And while they're at it, let's get the second Peace Bridge built. And show some sensitivity to the proposed area where the stadium would be built which is the historically rich heart of Buffalo going back to its Wild West days.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 if the Commish really wants the Bills to have the NextGen stadium.... how much is the NFL kicking in?
5 Wide Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 If i were the guy in charge, i would bulldoze the perry st. projects and re-route the street grid in that area.
Mike in Horseheads Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Not biased or anything, HammersLOT? Bottom line - the Pegula's will build a new stadium. Whether a new stadium is build in Orchard Park or Buffalo, there will be a private and public finacning colloboration to fund this project. It makes ZERO economic sense to spend any additional money in Orchard Park. Pegula is investing millions in downtown Buffalo - no way he will invest money in OP when and miss out on the synergies he is currently creating in downtown Pegulaville. Will things change? Yes. Will taligating be different? Yes. Can the City of Buffalo's infrastructure support the stadium and traffic? Of course, the city and supporting highways was built at a time when it had DOUBLE the population. Building a new stadium in Orchard Park reinfoces all the bad decisions that made Buffalo the 4th poorest city in the US. I believe if history serves me right the stadium was supposed to be built in Lancaster not OP but they didn't want it.
PromoTheRobot Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) I believe if history serves me right the stadium was supposed to be built in Lancaster not OP but they didn't want it. There was plans for a domed stadium in Lancaster by the Thruway in '69. Don't remember what did the project in but I'm sure it was some combination of NIMBY's and graft. Here's a pretty good chronicle of those events. http://thebuffalobullet.com/a-downtown-retractable-dome-stadium-makes-a-hell-of-a-bargaining-chip/ Edited February 2, 2015 by PromoTheRobot
Mike in Horseheads Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) There was plans for a domed stadium in Lancaster by the Thruway in '69. Don't remember what did the project in but I'm sure it was some combination of NIMBY's and graft. Thanks I was 9 in 1969...lol. I just always heard a reference to the Lancaster Dome getting shot down latter in life when people bitched about The Ralph being built in OP and snow belt. Just read that story and 40 years latter not much has changed has it? Of course Pegula vs Ralph not included. Edited February 2, 2015 by Mike in Horseheads
Hammered a Lot Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Not biased or anything, HammersLOT? Bottom line - the Pegula's will build a new stadium. Whether a new stadium is build in Orchard Park or Buffalo, there will be a private and public finacning colloboration to fund this project. It makes ZERO economic sense to spend any additional money in Orchard Park. Pegula is investing millions in downtown Buffalo - no way he will invest money in OP when and miss out on the synergies he is currently creating in downtown Pegulaville. Will things change? Yes. Will taligating be different? Yes. Can the City of Buffalo's infrastructure support the stadium and traffic? Of course, the city and supporting highways was built at a time when it had DOUBLE the population. Building a new stadium in Orchard Park reinfoces all the bad decisions that made Buffalo the 4th poorest city in the US. Bias me, not at all. Are you bias? Looks that way to me.
K D Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 If i were the guy in charge, i would bulldoze the perry st. projects and re-route the street grid in that area. i feel like this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for the city of Buffalo to fix everything that they have messed up in the last 50 yrs. get rid of the projects, move the skyway, knock down the old abandoned factories, and free up some lake side property. too bad we have such crappy leaders in this town that can't seem to ever get anything done. we will never be a real city with Byron Brown in charge
PromoTheRobot Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) i feel like this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for the city of Buffalo to fix everything that they have messed up in the last 50 yrs. get rid of the projects, move the skyway, knock down the old abandoned factories, and free up some lake side property. too bad we have such crappy leaders in this town that can't seem to ever get anything done. we will never be a real city with Byron Brown in chargeAnd yet everything that's happened the last few years happened while Byron Brown is mayor. I used to think Brown was holding the city back but obviously stuff is getting done. It helps having a billionaire move into town, itching to rebuild part of your city. But someone still has to smooth the path and cut the red tape, so I give him credit for that, and Brian Higgins. Edited February 3, 2015 by PromoTheRobot
HT02 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Patriots Place general manager eyes Foxborough expansion Let me just say - I am all for an new stadium in downtown Buffalo. I don't care if it has a roof or not. With that said, I would like to point out what they are doing here in Boston/Foxboro with Patriot Place. It is quite clear the Bills and Erie County missed an opportunity to develop a similar concept in Orchard Park but that ship has sailed... I would really like to see Kim and Terry build something architecturally stimulating in downtown Buffalo. I would love the downtown campus to incorporate retail, housing, offices and restaurants within the existing street grid. Yes, I understand some streets will be paved over with the new stadium; but we really need to develop a synergistic plan with HarborCenter, First Niagara Center, Canalside and the stadium. It feels so good to have owners who crave to do the right thing... I know Ralph did his best; but it is time to grab the bull by the horns and think BIG for a change. The people of Western New York and the fans of the Buffalo Bills deserve it... Go Bills. On a different note - have you seen some of the stadium designs coming out of LA's latest attempt coming from the St Louis Rams owner. Pretty cool - blends right into the neighborhood. Although it is low key I'd really like to see Buffalo take a more modern approach like this instead of the Colts/Lions stadiums. Personally, I still really like this proposed design for Buffalo. I don't know enough about the merits of the proposed location but I still love the design. Kind of takes a real modern approach for Frank L Wright... going in the right direction in my opinion: First of all great to hear from a fellow Bills fan here in Bradyland, (we live in Northborough a little east of Worcester) I think the idea of building a Patriot-Place like complex outside of downtown Buffalo makes the most sense to me. The biggest challenges to downtown as out lined by others on this posting and others is that football doesn't lend itself to the same type of game-day experience you get with baseball, hockey or basketball. With football the tailgate is a big part of the fun, somehow meeting for "brunch" at an overcrowded local downtown restaurant doesn't gel with going to the football game. Football is very unique. Additionally it is only 8 or 10 games a year (I despise pre-season games). Having a 70k seat behemoth stadium sitting empty, surrounded by empty parking lots doesn't do much to bring nightlife and activity to a downtown area. Placing it in a suburban area with more land build around for shops and entertainment makes much more sense to me.
JohnC Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I believe if history serves me right the stadium was supposed to be built in Lancaster not OP but they didn't want it. The stadium proposed for Lancaster was the Kenford Dome. Once that got scrapped they went to the cheaper open stadium.
PS 56 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 "...LA's latest attempt coming from the St Louis Rams owner. Pretty cool - blends right into the neighborhood. Although it is low key I'd really like to see Buffalo take a more modern approach like this instead of the Colts/Lions stadiums." Sundecks, palm trees and a wading pool on the Buffalo shoreline?? Sign me up. Swimming pools... Movie Stars... and it will never happen.
Hammered a Lot Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Count me in with the current stadium You must be a WNY Taxpayer like me.
K D Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 And yet everything that's happened the last few years happened while Byron Brown is mayor. I used to think Brown was holding the city back but obviously stuff is getting done. It helps having a billionaire move into town, itching to rebuild part of your city. But someone still has to smooth the path and cut the red tape, so I give him credit for that, and Brian Higgins. I'll give credit to Higgins and some of the other local guys like Poloncarz. But Brown is a waste of space. We need someone new here if we want any real change but he wins I think based more on demographic than on merit
May Day 10 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 You must be a WNY Taxpayer like me. Its not just that. I think we have a wonderful thing there and I'm not so eager to toss it away so the NFL can chase high end luxury clientele our market really doesn't have to offer. I would be in for a meaningful resuscitation of RWS in 7-10 years. Like Lambeau, Arrowhead... or in an extreme case Soldier. Make sure the structure has integrity, maybe providing a few of the extra perks they want with a new stadium. I love the sightlines and atmosphere there. I like the history. I like the fact you see a highlight and you know what stadium it is instead of a soulless and dark and miscellaneous dome. I love the fact that I bring firends from other areas and we park in basically a neighborhood and they have the time of their lives and end up coming back at least every year. This team gets some of its energy back with a new owner. New (real) head coach. People are reinvigorated. A few wins and this team being relevant will allow them to raise the ticket prices plenty. Itll be similar to the Sabres' ticket successes IMO. The Sabres struggled at the gate from the 80s to 2006. Now they maintain a waiting list, even among a lot of playoff-less seasons.
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