dave mcbride Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) Or it's highly likely that the one ball deflated would be the ball they chose to play the game with, and it was only because of an interception that the player went to the Colts sideline holding the ball it was taken out. That is 100x more likely that the Boomer scenario. But that's impossible, Dog, and you should know that. Balls that get thrown out of bounds (which happens all of time) are immediately replaced by other ones. No one is chasing balls down that land out of bounds under benches and water coolers and then returning them to the LOS for the next play. The same goes for deep incompletions. That is not how it works. There is a heavy rotation of balls in every game. That's why they have 12 instead of 3 or 4. ill go on record as an "i dont think it was a set up by the colts" but more than a 2004 incident with the team wearing horseshoes, ill say the angle id play is grigson being with the rams when the pats beat them in the SB, and the colts coach being a Ravens guy for better straight line motivations. still dont think its the case though. the problem is if its just 1 ball and it was supplied by the colts, it does open the door for questions - and may be the source of a "what do we do with this now" situation for the nfl I didn't know about Grigson's history. Interesting. Edited February 5, 2015 by dave mcbride
Kelly the Dog Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 But that's impossible, Dog, and you should know that. Balls that get thrown out of bounds (which happens all of time) are immediately replaced by other ones. No one is chasing balls down that land out of bounds under benches and water coolers and then returning them to the LOS for the next play. That is not how it works. There is a heavy rotation of balls in every game. That's why they have 12 instead of 3 or 4. I didn't know about Grigson's history. Interesting. It's not at all impossible. The ball boy is the one who gives the ball to the ref. if they want they start every series with that ball. And go most entire series with that ball. And if as soon as it goes out of bounds it's the next one in. That would be 80-90% of plays. If they want it to be. I'm not saying that is what happened.
dave mcbride Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 It's not at all impossible. The ball boy is the one who gives the ball to the ref. if they want they start every series with that ball. And go most entire series with that ball. And if as soon as it goes out of bounds it's the next one in. That would be 80-90% of plays. If they want it to be. I'm not saying that is what happened. I honestly think you're underestimating the possibility of a setup by the Colts/Ravens here. Also bear in mind that Jackson said that he thought that the ball was fine, and that the team immediately took it away from him after the INT. This is a foaming-at-the-mouth local Boston piece, so take it with a huge grain of salt, but the writer is correct about Rappaport working for the league and about Mortonsen quite possibly being spoonfed: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/02/05/hurley-failed-deflategate-accusations-means-its-time-for-irsay-pagano-to-be-banned-from-nfl/ .
Alphadawg7 Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) Are you serious? You think this message board has the clout to create "a baseless witch hunt" out of "manipulated false stats" that leads the national news (ABC, NBC, CBS morning and evening news), talk shows, talk by every water cooler in America for days running? Interesting. BTW, you found the wrong thread. This isn't the 100+ pager. lol, did I say this board created it in the media? I generalized both the media and this board of being on a witch hunt. The media leaked false reports, inaccurate reports, and countless assumptions and speculation. Nothing about this story has checked out. Not how many balls, not by how much, not who initiated the complaint, not anything. People wanted this to be true to discredit the Pats, the media actually didn't care if it was true or false, they just wanted to sell click through rates online or pull ratings on TV and Radio. In todays horrible state of News (thanks to social media), its easy to leak "reports" that have little to no credibility because there is NO accountability anymore because of social media. A simple tweet, without evidence, turns into fact and is regurgitated to death by every news outlet, blog, message board, website, etc across the glob as if its now words direct out of Gods mouth. But here we are, still talking about something that at this stage proven to be a non event while a team like the Falcons have been literally caught cheating and admitted to cheating without any uproar or care by anyone. The media doesn't care about it because it doesn't sell stories...the Pats sell stories. Its actually pretty pathetic and illustrates the just how much our news structure has deteriorated to be about retweets, click through rates, and ratings. None of deflate gate was actually about the stupid footballs, it was about the Pats only, because the Pats generate attention. Again, you let me know when the uproar, fumble ratios skewed charts, and 100 page threads start about the people who just admitted to cheating. Edited February 5, 2015 by Alphadawg7
boyst Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 I love that people are still debating if they cheated. They cheated. If the players couldn't tell the ball was 2psi under inflated they are dumb. 2psi under inflated is a ton. Patriots cheated, no ifs ands or buts.
Kelly the Dog Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 I honestly think you're underestimating the possibility of a setup by the Colts/Ravens here. Also bear in mind that Jackson said that he thought that the ball was fine, and that the team immediately took it away from him after the INT. This is a foaming-at-the-mouth local Boston piece, so take it with a huge grain of salt, but the writer is correct about Rappaport working for the league and about Mortonsen quite possibly being spoonfed: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/02/05/hurley-failed-deflategate-accusations-means-its-time-for-irsay-pagano-to-be-banned-from-nfl/ . IIRC, Jackson didn't say the ball was fine, he said he didn't notice. That's a big difference. He caught the ball and ran off the field with it and immediately gave it to the equipment guy, who did notice. Jackson probably held onto it for less than 30 seconds.
Mr. WEO Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) I love that people are still debating if they cheated. They cheated. If the players couldn't tell the ball was 2psi under inflated they are dumb. 2psi under inflated is a ton. Patriots cheated, no ifs ands or buts. Jackson: "In my opinion, I thought I have pretty good hands," he said. "But I don't know one way or the other whether a deflated ball or inflated ball would help that matter." "If anybody recognized anything it definitely wouldn't come from me." Edited February 5, 2015 by Mr. WEO
dave mcbride Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 It's not at all impossible. The ball boy is the one who gives the ball to the ref. if they want they start every series with that ball. And go most entire series with that ball. And if as soon as it goes out of bounds it's the next one in. That would be 80-90% of plays. If they want it to be. I'm not saying that is what happened. That sort of thinking would preclude throwing deep or on the boundaries early in drives. That's hardly how the Pats operate.
boyst Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 Jackson: "In my opinion, I thought I have pretty good hands," he said. "But I don't know one way or the other whether a deflated ball or inflated ball would help that matter." "If anybody recognized anything it definitely wouldn't come from me." This comes with the disclaimer because it's the standard I played high school football so I am an expert... I am not an expert and I really do not know anything. I was a long snapper and spent some time at center in high school. As a long snapper I loved a properly inflated ball, it was very easy to snap, as a center you could tell when it was slightly under inflated, you could grip it better. The center and the QB will know the difference. I took my 3 footballs and inflated them to different levels and could tell. I have an authentic NFL, NCAA and HS. All three i could tell a difference.
Alphadawg7 Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 IIRC, Jackson didn't say the ball was fine, he said he didn't notice. That's a big difference. He caught the ball and ran off the field with it and immediately gave it to the equipment guy, who did notice. Jackson probably held onto it for less than 30 seconds. Come on man, Jackson specifically said that he didn't detect anything wrong with the ball and wanted to keep it as a souvenir. Now you are trying to manipulate that statement to somehow mean the ball didn't fell fine? Geezus, your crusade has reached legendary heights.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 I love that people are still debating if they cheated. They cheated. If the players couldn't tell the ball was 2psi under inflated they are dumb. 2psi under inflated is a ton. Patriots cheated, no ifs ands or buts. you are using logic... stop it at once
Kelly the Dog Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 Come on man, Jackson specifically said that he didn't detect anything wrong with the ball and wanted to keep it as a souvenir. Now you are trying to manipulate that statement to somehow mean the ball didn't fell fine? Geezus, your crusade has reached legendary heights. He didnt know what happened to it. he didn't say it was fine. he said caught it and then he handed it off, which is what I said. Go back in your hole. http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2015/01/22/dqwell-jackson-pro-bowl-deflated-ball-patriots/22183219/
Alphadawg7 Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 He didnt know what happened to it. he didn't say it was fine. he said caught it and then he handed it off, which is what I said. Go back in your hole. http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2015/01/22/dqwell-jackson-pro-bowl-deflated-ball-patriots/22183219/ Dude, you are trying to imply that something may have been wrong with the ball by trying to use this story. You know what you are doing, so stop playing dumb every time something proves your crusade off course. He specifically said he felt nothing wrong with the ball, only wanted a souvenir and wasnt even aware of anything until his flight home when he was getting tweets and contact from his agent. Therefore, the ball felt fine to him and not unusual. But keep beating your crusader drum to try and manipulate things and imply false logic to things.
Mr. WEO Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 He didnt know what happened to it. he didn't say it was fine. he said caught it and then he handed it off, which is what I said. Go back in your hole. http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2015/01/22/dqwell-jackson-pro-bowl-deflated-ball-patriots/22183219/ He said he wouldn't tell the difference. That it didn't come from him.
NoSaint Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 He said he wouldn't tell the difference. That it didn't come from him. i think all KtD is saying is "i didnt notice" doesnt mean "i noticed it was good"
Mr. WEO Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 i think all KtD is saying is "i didnt notice" doesnt mean "i noticed it was good" That's clearly what he doesn't want it to mean.
Kelly the Dog Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 He said he wouldn't tell the difference. That it didn't come from him. I know. That is not the point of any of this.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 Sooooo the NFL is still investigating ........... Why haven't the Patriots fired anyone yet? Oh wait they claim ignorance and innocence
Kelly the Dog Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 i think all KtD is saying is "i didnt notice" doesnt mean "i noticed it was good" Exactly. It's amazing the English comprehension or lack thereof. Some people, idiots, are trying to make it sound as if Jackson was saying the ball he intercepted was fine, meaning it was not deflated. That is not at all what he said. He said he didn't notice it. He ran off the field and immediately handed it to the equipment guy. He didn't and wouldn't notice. That's all he said and all he meant and he wasn't involved in any of the ensuing controversy. As soon as that came out I have been 100% consistent on it.
Mr. WEO Posted February 5, 2015 Posted February 5, 2015 Exactly. It's amazing the English comprehension or lack thereof. Some people, idiots, are trying to make it sound as if Jackson was saying the ball he intercepted was fine, meaning it was not deflated. That is not at all what he said. He said he didn't notice it. He ran off the field and immediately handed it to the equipment guy. He didn't and wouldn't notice. That's all he said and all he meant and he wasn't involved in any of the ensuing controversy. As soon as that came out I have been 100% consistent on it. Look, you may think calling me an idiot, and resorting to mentioning "reading/English comprehension" somehow makes your position stronger, but it really doesn't. Those are 2 white flags, actually. Easy to spot and comprehend. Anyway, I was responding to jboyst, who said: "If the players couldn't tell the ball was 2psi under inflated they are dumb. 2psi under inflated is a ton." Jackson said he wouldn't be the one who could tell a difference (i.e., he didn't).
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