YoloinOhio Posted January 25, 2015 Author Posted January 25, 2015 It never gets old.....https://t.co/b6aPV8kEfj
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 The fact that this PC occurred at all tells you NE is guilty, cheating, and lying. They are fully aware that the previous PCs of BB and TB came off HORRIBLY and that the entire world watching felt both guys were lying. NE felt like they needed additional spin control. The fact that Bill B. is going into this level of detail and explanation, a few days before a Superbowl, also tells you he is lying. Why in the world would he go to this level of trouble to tell us why they are innocent, if in fact they were innocent? Most of what Belichick said makes no sense. He again spent time discussing how he likes to use beaten up footballs in practice. What probative value does that have in reference to the game balls in dispute? Baseball players like to use weighted doughnuts too....for practice swings. Doesn't mean they don't use a lighter bat in games. Nothing Belichick said was really grounded in scientific terms. He seemed to be suggesting that the process they go through (deemed to be widely used through the NFL and legal) to "Rub down" footballs somehow excites the air molecules inside the football, thus raising air pressure, and this was done moments before the pre-game pressure measuring. This is just a bunch of bull ****. We have seen articles describing this process in great detail. In many instances this is a multi-day affair involving the repetition of many complex steps. It is all designed to simply impact the feel and texture of the surface leather of the football. That does not need to be done moments prior to a game and in fact is not done moments prior to a game. In TB's press conference, he told us that once the balls are "conditioned" he picks out the ones he likes and that's it! They go away not to be touched by other humans and those are "his balls" that he wants to use in a game. To suggest this complex, vital, and delicate process is done a couple hours before a game and minutes before being tested by an NFL official is just absurd. Further, I would love to see the scientific data showing that rubbing the football in the way an NFL equipment guy would to remove some oil left over from the manufacturing process (or whatever they are doing) increases PSI by 1. I would bet $10,000 that type of ball manipulation would have a very nominal effect, if any, on internal pressure. Presumably the theory states that heat is transferred to the air inside the ball via friction created by the rubbing, thus warming it and raising PSI. Any effect here would be tiny, if there is any effect at all. Even if we accept that the Patriots "rubbed down the balls" 5 minutes before handing them to an NFL official pre-game to check for proper PSI, and even if we accept the "rub down" added 1 or even 1.5 PSI...it still doesn't matter. The NFL official was there to check for and set proper pressure. If pressure was found to be high due to all the rubbing, it would be bled out of the ball and proper pressure re-established. Belichick's comments are absurd and do nothing to diminish a suspicion of guilt. Of course, as many have pointed out, "the weather" lowered the PSI in the Pats balls, but not the Colts. That's fascinating. Who knew the laws of science were capable of discrimination in this manner? So what are we left with? Desperate spin control from a desperate team who knows it looks bad and cheated. I am encouraged by this PC today. It suggests the Patriots are genuinely worried they are going to receive major sanctions. Lastly! Note how Belichick indicated that he was willing to go into detail today so that he would not have to do this again, and in fact, would not do so again. He is trying to control the conversation on his unilateral terms exclusively. Nice try, A-hole. I hope the press nails this guy to the cross next week. Also was reported that the balls used in first half by Pats were altered at halftime and rechecked after the game with no leakage as compared to the 2 PSI loss supposedly in first half. There is little doubt that team equipment guys know how Gisele likes Tom's balls and acted accordingly.
Jim in Anchorage Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 cool story bro You two are brothers?
Deranged Rhino Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 https://twitter.com/richeisen/status/559085610569170945
KGUNBILLS Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 My guess is they will find a way out of this, and come out unharmed. Yes and probably awarded extra first round picks for their trouble. haha
freeagentqb Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 Its possible that the officially approved game balls were not used by the Pats but instead used other prepared balls that they also had on the sideline. They probably have a bunch of tailor made balls in equipment bags and lockers on the field. Also, I can't see Brady allowing some equipment guy mess with any pre-approved footballs during the game. That maneuver would be too obvious - there'd have to be a guy with a needle, pump and gauge on the sidelines. How do you do that discretely?
rumblefish Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 same posts as always, if Bellichick doesn't answer questions, everyone is pissed, if he does answer questions everyone is pissed, He said today, he won't discuss this topic anymore, so it looks like of short answers next week on everything but this topic, Billy being Billy again, reporters pissed, Pats haters pissed , all is back to normal in NFL land :thumbsup:
DJasper Probincrux III Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 It never gets old.....https://t.co/b6aPV8kEfj No, no it doesn't. This is one of the times I miss the old unsanitized NFL. The fan signage would be epic this week.
NoSaint Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 And you know this, how exactly? Let's play along anyhow. If they league setup the Pats as you suggest, and the Pats did in fact cheat, then surely the league must have easily been able to prove it? Unless they botched a simple setup sting and are even more incompetent than they already appear to be. It's been widely rumored including articles saying Goodell is an idiot as tagliabue would've just called instead of setting up a sting operation
filthymcnasty08 Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 The fact that this PC occurred at all tells you NE is guilty, cheating, and lying. They are fully aware that the previous PCs of BB and TB came off HORRIBLY and that the entire world watching felt both guys were lying. NE felt like they needed additional spin control. The fact that Bill B. is going into this level of detail and explanation, a few days before a Superbowl, also tells you he is lying. Why in the world would he go to this level of trouble to tell us why they are innocent, if in fact they were innocent? Most of what Belichick said makes no sense. He again spent time discussing how he likes to use beaten up footballs in practice. What probative value does that have in reference to the game balls in dispute? Baseball players like to use weighted doughnuts too....for practice swings. Doesn't mean they don't use a lighter bat in games. Nothing Belichick said was really grounded in scientific terms. He seemed to be suggesting that the process they go through (deemed to be widely used through the NFL and legal) to "Rub down" footballs somehow excites the air molecules inside the football, thus raising air pressure, and this was done moments before the pre-game pressure measuring. This is just a bunch of bull ****. We have seen articles describing this process in great detail. In many instances this is a multi-day affair involving the repetition of many complex steps. It is all designed to simply impact the feel and texture of the surface leather of the football. That does not need to be done moments prior to a game and in fact is not done moments prior to a game. In TB's press conference, he told us that once the balls are "conditioned" he picks out the ones he likes and that's it! They go away not to be touched by other humans and those are "his balls" that he wants to use in a game. To suggest this complex, vital, and delicate process is done a couple hours before a game and minutes before being tested by an NFL official is just absurd. Further, I would love to see the scientific data showing that rubbing the football in the way an NFL equipment guy would to remove some oil left over from the manufacturing process (or whatever they are doing) increases PSI by 1. I would bet $10,000 that type of ball manipulation would have a very nominal effect, if any, on internal pressure. Presumably the theory states that heat is transferred to the air inside the ball via friction created by the rubbing, thus warming it and raising PSI. Any effect here would be tiny, if there is any effect at all. Even if we accept that the Patriots "rubbed down the balls" 5 minutes before handing them to an NFL official pre-game to check for proper PSI, and even if we accept the "rub down" added 1 or even 1.5 PSI...it still doesn't matter. The NFL official was there to check for and set proper pressure. If pressure was found to be high due to all the rubbing, it would be bled out of the ball and proper pressure re-established. Belichick's comments are absurd and do nothing to diminish a suspicion of guilt. Of course, as many have pointed out, "the weather" lowered the PSI in the Pats balls, but not the Colts. That's fascinating. Who knew the laws of science were capable of discrimination in this manner? So what are we left with? Desperate spin control from a desperate team who knows it looks bad and cheated. I am encouraged by this PC today. It suggests the Patriots are genuinely worried they are going to receive major sanctions. Lastly! Note how Belichick indicated that he was willing to go into detail today so that he would not have to do this again, and in fact, would not do so again. He is trying to control the conversation on his unilateral terms exclusively. Nice try, A-hole. I hope the press nails this guy to the cross next week. Great post... They also know that there's a large segment of the public that, when fed the dish full of horese-poo that BB delivered, will then rush to defend them in scientific air pressure debates (as evidenced here on a Buffalo Bills blog). That draws into the debate, those that find nothing believable about this. This should occupy the media/public for the next week and, before you know it, they will be kicking off SB49. Politicians use the same tactic on us all the time. Whatever happens after that (my guess is that if BB wins, he retires unscathed) is gravy for them. Prior to this latest PC, even some of their own followers were starting to coming out against them. The house was burning down fast and the lynch mob was forming.
BRH Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 The fact that this PC occurred at all tells you NE is guilty, cheating, and lying. They are fully aware that the previous PCs of BB and TB came off HORRIBLY and that the entire world watching felt both guys were lying. NE felt like they needed additional spin control. The fact that Bill B. is going into this level of detail and explanation, a few days before a Superbowl, also tells you he is lying. Why in the world would he go to this level of trouble to tell us why they are innocent, if in fact they were innocent? Most of what Belichick said makes no sense. He again spent time discussing how he likes to use beaten up footballs in practice. What probative value does that have in reference to the game balls in dispute? Baseball players like to use weighted doughnuts too....for practice swings. Doesn't mean they don't use a lighter bat in games. Nothing Belichick said was really grounded in scientific terms. He seemed to be suggesting that the process they go through (deemed to be widely used through the NFL and legal) to "Rub down" footballs somehow excites the air molecules inside the football, thus raising air pressure, and this was done moments before the pre-game pressure measuring. This is just a bunch of bull ****. We have seen articles describing this process in great detail. In many instances this is a multi-day affair involving the repetition of many complex steps. It is all designed to simply impact the feel and texture of the surface leather of the football. That does not need to be done moments prior to a game and in fact is not done moments prior to a game. In TB's press conference, he told us that once the balls are "conditioned" he picks out the ones he likes and that's it! They go away not to be touched by other humans and those are "his balls" that he wants to use in a game. To suggest this complex, vital, and delicate process is done a couple hours before a game and minutes before being tested by an NFL official is just absurd. Further, I would love to see the scientific data showing that rubbing the football in the way an NFL equipment guy would to remove some oil left over from the manufacturing process (or whatever they are doing) increases PSI by 1. I would bet $10,000 that type of ball manipulation would have a very nominal effect, if any, on internal pressure. Presumably the theory states that heat is transferred to the air inside the ball via friction created by the rubbing, thus warming it and raising PSI. Any effect here would be tiny, if there is any effect at all. Even if we accept that the Patriots "rubbed down the balls" 5 minutes before handing them to an NFL official pre-game to check for proper PSI, and even if we accept the "rub down" added 1 or even 1.5 PSI...it still doesn't matter. The NFL official was there to check for and set proper pressure. If pressure was found to be high due to all the rubbing, it would be bled out of the ball and proper pressure re-established. Belichick's comments are absurd and do nothing to diminish a suspicion of guilt. Of course, as many have pointed out, "the weather" lowered the PSI in the Pats balls, but not the Colts. That's fascinating. Who knew the laws of science were capable of discrimination in this manner? So what are we left with? Desperate spin control from a desperate team who knows it looks bad and cheated. I am encouraged by this PC today. It suggests the Patriots are genuinely worried they are going to receive major sanctions. Lastly! Note how Belichick indicated that he was willing to go into detail today so that he would not have to do this again, and in fact, would not do so again. He is trying to control the conversation on his unilateral terms exclusively. Nice try, A-hole. I hope the press nails this guy to the cross next week. Can we pin this post, please? /discussion
YoloinOhio Posted January 25, 2015 Author Posted January 25, 2015 @jasonrmcintyre: Of course RT @thebiglead: VIDEO --> Bill Nye: Bill Belichick's Science Didn't Make Any Sense http://t.co/3Ig92ouFCShttp://t.co/Io8WgODDHn
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 Bill Nye doesn't eff around. If he says Bill Bellichick's explanation didn't make sense in a scientific way, it didn't.
Sisyphean Bills Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 Bill Nye doesn't eff around. If he says Bill Bellichick's explanation didn't make sense in a scientific way, it didn't. He's not too worried about Belichick competing in the lab.
YoloinOhio Posted January 25, 2015 Author Posted January 25, 2015 Bill Nye doesn't eff around. If he says Bill Bellichick's explanation didn't make sense in a scientific way, it didn't.i love that he was actually consulted about this. What a freaking train wreck.
chris heff Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) You guys just won't let it go. At the end of all this I think there's going to be a lot of embarassed people in the public eye who called them out as cheaters and liars, without any facts. Frankly, what Belichick said made sense. It made sense that he would insist on walking through the process so he could understand what happened, given the hoopla. In a nutshell he said the preparation process (vigorous rubbing) raises the PSI by about a pound. They are then provided to the officials who are asked to inflate to 12.5 PSI. All that done at room temp. Once out in game temps (colder), you lose not only the initial one pound due to prep, but also another half. So you can be down about one and a half pounds (to 11 PSI or so). I suspect this will be proven to be possible - depending on the ball prep process, and it is by far the most probable explanation. Why weren't the Colts balls low too? I have to say that's a stupid question. Maybe they don't heat up the ball temp as much when they prep the balls, if at all. Maybe they ask for their balls to be set at the high side (13.5 PSI). So your supposition is that the Patriots unwittingly have a process with their footballs that inadvertently results in a lower than legal PSI. The PSI of the footballs used by the Colts is meaningless because they don't go through the same process. Is anyone buying that the Patriots didn't know what the end result of the process would be? Edited January 25, 2015 by chris heff
TheFunPolice Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 This has become a PR issue, and in those cases perception IS reality. People are making jokes about Brady and Belichick being cheaters on social media and late night comedy shows. Social media takes every issue viral in 5 seconds. The public has already rendered its verdict, and the damage is done. I'm not saying it's fair or right, but it is what it is. In the minds of the casual fan for whom real life is an annoying distraction from their digital lala land, the issue is simple: Patriots=cheaters. Any attempt to explain otherwise now is just going to fall on deaf ears, and its mostly meant to lift the spirits of Patriots* fans who desperately want to believe.
MattM Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 This has become a PR issue, and in those cases perception IS reality. People are making jokes about Brady and Belichick being cheaters on social media and late night comedy shows. Social media takes every issue viral in 5 seconds. The public has already rendered its verdict, and the damage is done. I'm not saying it's fair or right, but it is what it is. In the minds of the casual fan for whom real life is an annoying distraction from their digital lala land, the issue is simple: Patriots=cheaters. Any attempt to explain otherwise now is just going to fall on deaf ears, and its mostly meant to lift the spirits of Patriots* fans who desperately want to believe. But the evidence as we understand it so far (including Bill Nye above) is showing that the Pats* are cheaters and now, after yesterday's press conference, liars, too. Does anyone who has an even rudimentary understanding of science believe his explanation that simply rubbing a football will cause the pressure to go up temporarily in a measurable, material amount? I also question that they do this essential rubdown (which would have Tom Brady sitting there oking the balls) immediately before the game time measurement. That seems non-sensical to me, along with lots of other things that make no sense in their narrative, including why the Colts' balls didn't suffer the same fate. I also saw a segment on Face the Nation this morning (yes, Bob Schieffer, too, weighed in on this!) in which the USA Today guy covering this story essentially called out Belichick's BS on this, too. I think they tried the "baffle 'em with BS" approach yesterday, which didn't seem to fool anyone paying attention. We'll see if it fooled the masses, however, which may be all they really intended.
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 This has become a PR issue, and in those cases perception IS reality. People are making jokes about Brady and Belichick being cheaters on social media and late night comedy shows. Social media takes every issue viral in 5 seconds. The public has already rendered its verdict, and the damage is done. I'm not saying it's fair or right, but it is what it is. In the minds of the casual fan for whom real life is an annoying distraction from their digital lala land, the issue is simple: Patriots=cheaters. Any attempt to explain otherwise now is just going to fall on deaf ears, and its mostly meant to lift the spirits of Patriots* fans who desperately want to believe. Exactly. The Patriots are already guilty in everyone's eyes. They can thank Spygate for that. Any attempts by the Patriots or the league to explain otherwise is going to be met by harsh criticism from everyone and will make this PR nightmare worse.
TheFunPolice Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) All that has to happen is John Stewart plays a Belichick or Brady video clip and then makes a funny scrunchy face. At that point, it doesn't even matter. Everyone watching will laugh at the Patriots* and see them as liars and cheaters. That is happening all over the place. Even politicians are piling on (probably happy that they get to call someone ELSE a liar/cheat for a change). Edited January 25, 2015 by TheFunPolice
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