kasper13 Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Sure he can be "fixed". Rehab- dry out/sober time/education/skills. If he completes the inpatient program, gets outpatient after, stays clean & sober and has a place to go and things to do everyday that don't involve alcohol and/or drugs then he has a chance. If he accepts the fact that he can't use anymore than he has a chance. If he can't do all of that then he has absolutely zero chance. Can he play QB in the NFL? Who knows? Maybe if he is sober and if he dedicates himself to the game instead of nightclubs & endless parties he can. Maybe he can only play hungover and coked up. Only time will tell.
K D Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Is Jameis the next Johnny Manziel? That might be what teams are thinking. Maybe that will cause him to plummet in the draft and we can get him by trading back into the end of the 1st round
FireChan Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Is Jameis the next Johnny Manziel? That might be what teams are thinking. Maybe that will cause him to plummet in the draft and we can get him by trading back into the end of the 1st round Does Jameis have substance abuse allegations?
Kelly the Dog Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Does Jameis have substance abuse allegations? Yep. Air. The more he breathes the stupider he gets.
Beef Jerky Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Agreed. I'd take him. Doubt we add a QB with more upside. Manziel has no upside...
Utah John Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 If the Jets can't draft Mariota, I'll bet a nickel they trade for Manziel. They seem to like young QBs who were good in college but can't transition to the NFL. Julian Edelman made the switch from college QB to NFL WR, and he's pretty darn good. I always figured Tebow would make a good TE but he had the sin of pride and wouldn't lower himself to anything other than QB. I wonder if Manziel could play WR.
Rob's House Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 No way? Johnny Goofball has a drinking problem? Yeah. Two hands and only one mouth.
Captain_Quint Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 He shouldn't have been drafted. He probably wouldn't have been drafted it didn't look like Jerry Jones people were going to let that happen... Of course always a team like the Browns though. :blink: You know that there are 7 rounds, right?
Captain Hindsight Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Sadly I know some people who cover the team and Manziel also has a serious drug problem. The team has been aware of the alcoholism for awhile (last summer). Football is the last thing his family cares about right now. Hopefully he is healthy for training camp not because I am counting on him to be our QB, but because it means there is some hope for him to contribute at some point. That maybe, just maybe, the issues that led to his lack of focus are wrapped up in his drug/acohol problems. And could be "fixable." I never wanted the Browns to draft him because I felt there were better QBs in the draft. But they did, so I have hope left. I feel like a terrible person for being such a fan that I worry our QB situation rather than real life problems of a human being. I admittedly know nothing about the rehab process so my apologies in advance for sounding ignorant that things can be "fixed" if that is not reality. Brett Favre went to rehab and was able to recover, correct? Any other examples? Well, in my own experience, I was heading towards a serious drug/ alcohol issue if people didn't steer me in the right direction. I got scared straight and was sober for three months til I could learn how to deal without alcohol I drink now but rarely get drunk. I almost always volunteer to the DD so I stay safe. You can get better, but you have to 100% commit to it. Usually the drinking/drug use is because of something in the past, psychological ect. JFF needs to work on himself and figure out how to control himself in social situations. For me, I had to get away from the people that were putting me in a bad spot
3rdand12 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Well, in my own experience, I was heading towards a serious drug/ alcohol issue if people didn't steer me in the right direction. I got scared straight and was sober for three months til I could learn how to deal without alcohol I drink now but rarely get drunk. I almost always volunteer to the DD so I stay safe. You can get better, but you have to 100% commit to it. Usually the drinking/drug use is because of something in the past, psychological ect. JFF needs to work on himself and figure out how to control himself in social situations. For me, I had to get away from the people that were putting me in a bad spot You are a good Man indeed for sharing this with us. Thank you Brother! I think John Manziel is done. His Dad has alluded to his concerns for him pre draft. and to me it sounds like there is alot of work to be done before the kid should be playing football. the percentages are low for success, and if there is s real recovery it will be slow coming. I feel bad for anyone with demons. he might be just that./
stevestojan Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 He's 22 years old, good looking, athletic, women love him, he's rich beyond belief, had the world by the balls, and loves to party. Minus the women loving him, being good looking, having athleticism, being rich, and having the world by the balls, he's exaclty like me at that age. I missed work on a Saturday at 22 once too from being wasted. I worked at a collection agency selling septic tank cleaner. The boss was also not happy. The stress and expectations put on these guys is insane at that age. But I guess that's how it works once you accept the contract...
Augie Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I don't know if he can start successfully at the NFL level, but I sincerely hope he can get his act together. That's far more important. He's 22 years old, good looking, athletic, women love him, he's rich beyond belief, had the world by the balls, and loves to party. Minus the women loving him, being good looking, having athleticism, being rich, and having the world by the balls, he's exaclty like me at that age. I missed work on a Saturday at 22 once too from being wasted. I worked at a collection agency selling septic tank cleaner. The boss was also not happy. The stress and expectations put on these guys is insane at that age. But I guess that's how it works once you accept the contract... He had a problem before the contract. The college people were concerned about him. It's complicated, but I hope he gets the help he needs.
Beef Jerky Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 :blink: You know that there are 7 rounds, right? Yep and he isn't worth a single pick in any of those.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Hey, for all the people that say EJ deserves more time and its unfair to write him off..... why not more time for Johnny ? Ryan Mallett also has less time on the field then EJ Too many people here pick and choose WHO deserves more time ? Dude. It's one thing to be inconsistent as a rookie after success in college. If a guy works hard and keeps his head on straight, he will either improve or not, and deserves a chance. It's another thing to be partying and snorting instead of learning the playbook and watching film, getting drunk instead of getting injury treatment, and just generally floating along in the footsteps of Ryan Leaf. Can you really not see the difference, and honestly attribute it to some arbitrary personal choice, which is what "too many people here pick and choose" implies?
FireChan Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Dude. It's one thing to be inconsistent as a rookie after success in college. If a guy works hard and keeps his head on straight, he will either improve or not, and deserves a chance. It's another thing to be partying and snorting instead of learning the playbook and watching film, getting drunk instead of getting injury treatment, and just generally floating along in the footsteps of Ryan Leaf. Can you really not see the difference, and honestly attribute it to some arbitrary personal choice, which is what "too many people here pick and choose" implies? Seeing as alcoholism is a disease, it's not too different a circumstance from EJ's injuries.
Thurman#1 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) They were both great college players that many people could see not transitioning to the NFL. It's like you are angry at me b.c Manziel failed. Don't get angry at me b.c I knew what Manziel was and so did many other teams. Haven't followed the whole discussion, but it looks to me like they're not angry at you, they're just laughing at your bizarre belief that ... correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what you appeared to say ... if he hadn't been drafted in the first round, he wouldn't have been drafted. Maybe I misunderstood you, and if so, please straighten me out But that's one bizarre belief. If he hadn't been drafted in the first, he'd have been drafted most likely in the second. He wouldn't have made the fourth. If that's what you meant, you really are dead wrong. Edited February 3, 2015 by Thurman#1
Thurman#1 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 The success rate of AA and rehab is about 10% overall. The odds are not with him. The numbers are questionable there. Lots of ways to measure this. Lots of numbers to choose from. A survey of 8500 A.A. members in '92 gave a success rate of 32 - 34% of members who'd successfully given up alcohol for five years or more. Yeah, you can find lower numbers, especially if you change the basis of the survey or the way to find people to survey. For instance, the National Institute on Drug Abuse says 40 - 60% of addicts go back to their addictions after rehab. That's a lot higher than your number. http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/principles-drug-addiction-treatment-research-based-guide-third-edition/frequently-asked-questions/how-effective-drug-addiction-treatment But your number is pretty low and you presented it as if it were just a fact.
Thurman#1 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Seeing as alcoholism is a disease, it's not too different a circumstance from EJ's injuries. Seriously? Injuries and diseases are not too different? Jeez.
Jim in Anchorage Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 The numbers are questionable there. Lots of ways to measure this. Lots of numbers to choose from. A survey of 8500 A.A. members in '92 gave a success rate of 32 - 34% of members who'd successfully given up alcohol for five years or more. Yeah, you can find lower numbers, especially if you change the basis of the survey or the way to find people to survey. For instance, the National Institute on Drug Abuse says 40 - 60% of addicts go back to their addictions after rehab. That's a lot higher than your number. http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/principles-drug-addiction-treatment-research-based-guide-third-edition/frequently-asked-questions/how-effective-drug-addiction-treatment But your number is pretty low and you presented it as if it were just a fact. The saying in rehab is it's a lot easier to make a pickle out of a cucumber than a cucumber out of a pickle.
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