BillsBytheBay Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 Sammy does something that will ensure a long fruitful career IMHO. He separates from coverage so well, he hasn't had to make many spectacular catches. His best display of hands were on poorly thrown balls last year. Both players will be great, but its crazy to start putting a gold jacket on one or the other. I know Sammy experienced bracket coverage a ton. I wonder how teams game planed for ODB.
1billsfan Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) There is no way our scouts watched OBJ do this and then traded 2 firsts for Sammy. Check out @SportsCenter's Tweet: https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/559499141756489730?s=09 Yes, how dare the Bills not know the future superstardom of a 5'11" 198 lb WR with only 12 TDs in college who had a question mark on whether he'd ever become a true #1. That's the funny thing about the draft, they don't tell who the future superstars are going to be. If they did, Russell Wilson would have been picked by the Redskins over RGIII, JJ Watt would have gone to the Broncos over Miller, and on and on and on... When I saw Beckham's videos, he looked like a better version of Stevie Johnson. A WR with the same size and route running style but with better hands than a WR already on our roster. IMO he was never in the conversation at OBD because of this and thats why they were looking at Ebron. Edited January 26, 2015 by 1billsfan
Thurman#1 Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 The Giants had Sammy over ODB. But, you know, same old Bils trading up for the best WR and offensive prospect in the draft. Outsmarting themselves with a great WR. Just imagine if there's a decent DB or LB at #19? The horror. Yup. The Giants had Sammy over ODB. Tell me, did the Giants trade up and give up next year's pick to get Sammy? If not, there's no reason to think the Giants thinking on this backs up the Bills actions.
Maury Ballstein Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 Sammy rules. Keep crying about it though.
Thurman#1 Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) Sammy is a great find, we've blown many draft choices in the past. Sammy is a winner and a great threat. Comparing him to others is useless. Be glad we've got him. He'll be the best. The past is past, we need positive attitudes for next year. Griping and complaining now is useless. Letting the FO off the hook for their decisions, that's what's useless. Fans and the FO itself should always be evaluating. So far, Sammy is a bit behind ODB but seems to be good enough that it wouldnt' be a surprise if he ends up being as good or better. But what would be a huge surprise at this point is if he ends up being the best WR in the class by a margin that would ever justify the trade value. The standard rule is that you don't trade away two firsts unless you're getting a QB. We broke that rule. It looks like we should not have done so. Edited January 26, 2015 by Thurman#1
GG Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 The Giants had Sammy over ODB. But, you know, same old Bils trading up for the best WR and offensive prospect in the draft. Outsmarting themselves with a great WR. Just imagine if there's a decent DB or LB at #19? The horror. That's the rub. It's still too early to say definitively, but this could be the case of the scouting services totally blowing it on OBJ. He wasn't even the No. 2 rated WR, and probably #4 on some boards. Someone brought up Les Miles as the reason, and that's probably true. Landry was Mettenberger's #1 target and was more productive than OBJ in his offense. I don't follow NCAA players until after the fact, but looking at a roster of Mettenberger, OBJ, Landry & Jeremy Hill shocking they didn't score more than 50 in each game.
Dorkington Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 The Giants had Sammy over ODB. But, you know, same old Bils trading up for the best WR and offensive prospect in the draft. Outsmarting themselves with a great WR. Just imagine if there's a decent DB or LB at #19? The horror. Sounds like the Giants got lucky, then. Right *now* ODB is the greater value... costing less, and producing more. Maybe after a few years go by, the fortunes will change, but for right now, the Bills made the wrong choice, as usual. Hindsight being 20/20 and all. Please don't take this as me thinking Sammy sucks, he's damned good. Just right now, there's someone who is better. I'm glad to at least have the "consolation prize" of Sammy (and a hell of a consolation he is).
truth on hold Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 Sammy had a nice rookie year, and could definitely develop into a solid #1 receiver with the right QB. That said, IMO there is a legit chance Odelle Beckham could become the greatest wide receiver of all time. He's that good. It's simply unfair to compare Sammy to this guy. agree odb is just in a totally different category. he has a chance to be on the short list of best ever with names like moss and rice. watkins ceiling is to be about as good as moulds
Maury Ballstein Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) agree odb is just in a totally different category. he has a chance to be on the short list of best ever with names like moss and rice. watkins ceiling is to be about as good as mouldsPlease stop. you look foolish when you post this nonsense. ODB has a gold jacket waiting and Watkins might be moulds. Cool story. Nyg's record was sweet ! Edited January 26, 2015 by Ryan L Billz
Dorkington Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 agree odb is just in a totally different category. he has a chance to be on the short list of best ever with names like moss and rice. watkins ceiling is to be about as good as moulds Ok, this is ridiculous. We don't have any idea of either player's ceilings at this point.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 Sounds like the Giants got lucky, then. Right *now* ODB is the greater value... costing less, and producing more. Maybe after a few years go by, the fortunes will change, but for right now, the Bills made the wrong choice, as usual. Hindsight being 20/20 and all. Please don't take this as me thinking Sammy sucks, he's damned good. Just right now, there's someone who is better. I'm glad to at least have the "consolation prize" of Sammy (and a hell of a consolation he is). See, Dork, got to disagree on the "wrong choice" viewpoint. You pick a guy that looks good and has a good football attitude according to your scouting and interviews etc. Then, at the top of the 1st round, there's about a 50% chance you get a guy who can play, and decreases as you go to the bottom of the 1st and top of the 2nd. By the 3rd round it's like 20-30%. Anytime you make a draft choice and get a quality fish, a guy who can really play, it's not the "wrong choice". It's only a "wrong choice" if you overlook bundles of guys who can actually play in favor of a Maybin or a TJ Graham.
Dorkington Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 See, Dork, got to disagree on the "wrong choice" viewpoint. You pick a guy that looks good and has a good football attitude according to your scouting and interviews etc. Then, at the top of the 1st round, there's about a 50% chance you get a guy who can play, and decreases as you go to the bottom of the 1st and top of the 2nd. By the 3rd round it's like 20-30%. Anytime you make a draft choice and get a quality fish, a guy who can really play, it's not the "wrong choice". It's only a "wrong choice" if you overlook bundles of guys who can actually play in favor of a Maybin or a TJ Graham. We agree more than you think. There's varying levels of "wrong", and I certainly don't think Sammy is a Maybin level of "wrong"
thebandit27 Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 Sigh...this topic again... Anyone that's watched any football for any length of time could tell you that--of the top-tier rookie WRs--the guy that gets the most targets, who also happens to play with a 2x Superbowl MVP QB, is most likely to have the best production. Anyone that wants to attribute that production to anything beyond the above is guessing at best, and simply ignorant at worst. There, I said it.
negativo Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 agree odb is just in a totally different category. he has a chance to be on the short list of best ever with names like moss and rice. watkins ceiling is to be about as good as moulds I'd take a Moulds career from Sammy in a heartbeat. He was a solid #1 receiver for years and made 3 pro bowls. Even a Lee Evans level career would be fine with me. Anyone with eyes can see Beckham is in another category. The Giants clearly hit jackpot with a generational phenom. Draft boards can't see everything. Jerry Rice was taken after Al Toon and Eddie Brown, both quality pro receivers in their own right but clearly not in the same stratosphere as Rice. Is Rice just a product of having HOF QBs throwing to him? Would Toon or Brown have had equal numbers if they traded places? Clearly no sane person would think so. Rice was the best, and all signs point to Beckham being in the super-elite category, too.
truth on hold Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 I'd take a Moulds career from Sammy in a heartbeat. He was a solid #1 receiver for years and made 3 pro bowls. Even a Lee Evans level career would be fine with me. Anyone with eyes can see Beckham is in another category. The Giants clearly hit jackpot with a generational phenom. Draft boards can't see everything. Jerry Rice was taken after Al Toon and Eddie Brown, both quality pro receivers in their own right but clearly not in the same stratosphere as Rice. Is Rice just a product of having HOF QBs throwing to him? Would Toon or Brown have had equal numbers if they traded places? Clearly no sane person would think so. Rice was the best, and all signs point to Beckham being in the super-elite category, too. agree people should be delighted if watkins elevates his game to moulds level, and starts winning some jump ball contests for a change.
K D Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 Yes, how dare the Bills not know the future superstardom of a 5'11" 198 lb WR with only 12 TDs in college who had a question mark on whether he'd ever become a true #1. That's the funny thing about the draft, they don't tell who the future superstars are going to be. If they did, Russell Wilson would have been picked by the Redskins over RGIII, JJ Watt would have gone to the Broncos over Miller, and on and on and on... When I saw Beckham's videos, he looked like a better version of Stevie Johnson. A WR with the same size and route running style but with better hands than a WR already on our roster. IMO he was never in the conversation at OBD because of this and thats why they were looking at Ebron. I'm talking specifically about this routine that Beckham Jr does before EVERY game. catching 1 handed passes all over the field. watch that video and then tell me that you wouldn't think he would be a good receiver
Hot Buffalo Wings Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 Wow! Odell Beckham, and Sammy Watkins? Comparing the two?!?!? I never even thought about such an analysis until just now. So glad there's a thread about this. Maybe one about whether EJ is the guy or not? I'd like to hear people's thoughts. It starts to get annoying reading posts like this. You have to realize not everyone is on this board every day to catch every thread that comes through. Its probably easier to ignore a thread that you may feel is repetitive. Unless you really need the self-esteem boost...
FireChan Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 I'd take a Moulds career from Sammy in a heartbeat. He was a solid #1 receiver for years and made 3 pro bowls. Even a Lee Evans level career would be fine with me. Anyone with eyes can see Beckham is in another category. The Giants clearly hit jackpot with a generational phenom. Draft boards can't see everything. Jerry Rice was taken after Al Toon and Eddie Brown, both quality pro receivers in their own right but clearly not in the same stratosphere as Rice. Is Rice just a product of having HOF QBs throwing to him? Would Toon or Brown have had equal numbers if they traded places? Clearly no sane person would think so. Rice was the best, and all signs point to Beckham being in the super-elite category, too. Was Jerry Rice Jerry Rice after one season? Lots of ODB love in here. Wait til Cruz starts vulturing targets.
BillsBytheBay Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 I'm talking specifically about this routine that Beckham Jr does before EVERY game. catching 1 handed passes all over the field. watch that video and then tell me that you wouldn't think he would be a good receiverboth hall of fame talents, do you take Randy moss, or Chris Carter? I'm not trying to make a direct comparison but ODB reminds me of Chris Carter's hands. I still take that Moss speed strength and ability to get wide open. Maybe when we have a QB who dosent throw lame ducks down field, we'll see if Sammy can high point.
K D Posted January 26, 2015 Posted January 26, 2015 both hall of fame talents, do you take Randy moss, or Chris Carter? I'm not trying to make a direct comparison but ODB reminds me of Chris Carter's hands. I still take that Moss speed strength and ability to get wide open. Maybe when we have a QB who dosent throw lame ducks down field, we'll see if Sammy can high point. All things equal, sure. But we gave up 2 firsts to take a guy wth similar talent (if we are lucky) intead of just picking the guy that was perhaps just as good (and as we are seeing probably much better). Sammy will be good but he was never 2 first round picks better than ODB jr. I just can't believe they watched his pre-game routine and then decided they thought Sammy was worth it. Watch that video, it's nuts
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