FireChan Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 ANd people were happy with the same struggles from Orton in the last quarter of the season! Yikes! They were?
truth on hold Posted January 22, 2015 Author Posted January 22, 2015 Am I the only one that thought Lee sounded more like a tv commentator than a QB coach? I thought him being that outspoken about Geno was a bit unprofessional. He didn't even bother to say (at least in this articles quotes), that we couldn't get Geno to be more consistent. Your QB's were terrible Lee and you were the QB coach, you need to own some of it. On another note I can't think of anything more troubling than a young QB, a rookie NFL head coach, and a rookie NFL offensive coordinator. How exactly was that supposed to go well? I'm one of the few that thinks EJ still has a good chance to work out. Especially with an experienced coordinator and staff. agree it was a little awkward at first, he may have realized it and tried to redeem himself later. iirc a jets coach also said tebow didnt have the tools to be an NFL QB .... thought that was terrible, very damaging to a player's career. No matter what he thought of Tebow (or any player) he should have kept it private
YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Am I the only one that thought Lee sounded more like a tv commentator than a QB coach? I thought him being that outspoken about Geno was a bit unprofessional. He didn't even bother to say (at least in this articles quotes), that we couldn't get Geno to be more consistent. Your QB's were terrible Lee and you were the QB coach, you need to own some of it. On another note I can't think of anything more troubling than a young QB, a rookie NFL head coach, and a rookie NFL offensive coordinator. How exactly was that supposed to go well? I'm one of the few that thinks EJ still has a good chance to work out. Especially with an experienced coordinator and staff. the best his current HC could come up with about Geno today in his introductory press conf is that he was a "great college QB." 2 years removed from college.
Green Lightning Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 EJs faults cannot be corrected. He is a bust and is finished as a Bill. Look for his release this spring. Imo Well I dismissed you the first try time you posted and you were dead right. So this take really gives me pause. Can you say if they are working on something major at QB?
White Linen Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 What can Lee say really? It's no secret that Geno was careless and erratic. I can appreciate him more by telling it how it is than trying to give a typical coach answer and trying to blow smoke. I get it, I'm just shocked that he would actually say it. I guess I can appreciate the honestly but my takeaway was he looks like the fool. We played good enough defense to win which I had nothing to do with, but the reason we didn't win was the person I'm solely responsible for from a coaching perspective killed us. Umm.
Thrivefourfive Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 EJ can smash pamphlets all he wants. They can let him loose to make instinctual decisions and use his natural athletism. But when all of that is completed, he won't deliver the ball accurately because his throwing mechanics suck. I would love to love the guy, but this my friends, is science. I'm fascinated my throwing motions and hand placement on the ball....yes, I understand that sounds quite gay. EJ would have to change his mechanics, because what he does now, is not going to work in the NFL. As Ten Bears would, "We need to talk about this some more at another time."
John from Riverside Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 EJs faults cannot be corrected. He is a bust and is finished as a Bill. Look for his release this spring. Imo I have too much respect for ya now to question but I gotta ask what you think they will do for viable alternative
GG Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 EJs faults cannot be corrected. He is a bust and is finished as a Bill. Look for his release this spring. Imo I'm guessing this is another clue towards the big thing that's coming. But outright release? That doesn't make sense. Even with flaws, EJ would make a fine 2nd stringer.
billsfan1959 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 I'm guessing this is another clue towards the big thing that's coming. But outright release? That doesn't make sense. Even with flaws, EJ would make a fine 2nd stringer. I'm with you. An outright release, IMO, makes absolutely no sense. Even if the Bills were to miraculously land a starting caliber QB, why would they release a QB with only 14 games under his belt, under a reasonable contract, and probably as good or better than any other backup they could bring in?
FireChan Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 I'm guessing this is another clue towards the big thing that's coming. But outright release? That doesn't make sense. Even with flaws, EJ would make a fine 2nd stringer. Would he? As more and more tape of him gets out, I don't know.
GG Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Would he? As more and more tape of him gets out, I don't know. The field for quality starters is thin, and the same holds true for backups. I think EJ would be more than a serviceable backup.
PromoTheRobot Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 I don't think anyone has questioned his intelligence. He's very much Trent Edwards. Brains, athletic ability and terrified to make the slightest mistake. That's Marrone.
FireChan Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 The field for quality starters is thin, and the same holds true for backups. I think EJ would be more than a serviceable backup. There are many backups in the NFL this season who had better numbers than EJ. He may develop into a serviceable back-up, but he may not be there.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 There are many backups in the NFL this season who had better numbers than EJ. He may develop into a serviceable back-up, but he may not be there. FireChan, would you mind explaining who were those many backups with better numbers than EJ?
SDS Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 If everyone jumped up your ass when you made the slightest mistake, you'd be afraid too Eh. That's like someone characterizing my failure to dunk a basketball as a mistake.
Freddie's Dead Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Coached to play scared EJ is good when he's aggressive. Go watch the first two games. When EJ let it rio, he was accurate and confident 'zactly. EJ PWNED Cleveland before the injury. We see now that Maroon was not all that and a bag o' chips, and he was coaching scared with KO, trying to pad his resume so he could leave. I like EJ's chances with Rex. Let's hope that Rex's experience with Geno hasn't soured him on developing EJ. Worst thing for EJ would be to pull him again after 4 games.
FireChan Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) FireChan, would you mind explaining who were those many backups with better numbers than EJ? Certainly. Drew Stanton http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/10487/drew-stanton Mark Sanchez http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/12482/mark-sanchez Colt McCoy http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13199/colt-mccoy Kirk Cousins http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14880/kirk-cousins Austin Davis http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/15187/austin-davis Mike Glennon http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/15837/mike-glennon Ryan Fitzpatrick (he was technically the starter, but he's a career back-up) http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/8664/ryan-fitzpatrick Charlie Whitehurst http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/9667/charlie-whitehurst Kyle Orton http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/8520/kyle-orton This is just about every second or third stringer who saw at least 2 games in the NFL in 2014. Now, you can look at one or two of these guys and see that EJ has one less fumble, but they almost all beat him in passer rating (Stanton is the only exception), and I believe that they all beat him in Total QBR (not that I'm a firm believer in that stat). And they all beat him in YPA, perhaps the single best indicator of QB success. Edited January 22, 2015 by FireChan
Webster Guy Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Am I the only one that thought Lee sounded more like a tv commentator than a QB coach? I thought him being that outspoken about Geno was a bit unprofessional. He didn't even bother to say (at least in this articles quotes), that we couldn't get Geno to be more consistent. Your QB's were terrible Lee and you were the QB coach, you need to own some of it. On another note I can't think of anything more troubling than a young QB, a rookie NFL head coach, and a rookie NFL offensive coordinator. How exactly was that supposed to go well? I'm one of the few that thinks EJ still has a good chance to work out. Especially with an experienced coordinator and staff. Completely agree, with the one addition that we need to at least have a blindside guard that is good. We let go one of the best offensive guys in the league in Chan, and one of the best guards in the league in Levitre, and never replaced them with anyone capable, then expect our young qb to go out and do better than .500. My hope is that Roman and some big money will entice Lupati to come and be a Bill. He would make us instantly better in the run and pass, and is a smarter way to spend money than resigning Hughes. Certainly. Drew Stanton http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/10487/drew-stanton Mark Sanchez http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/12482/mark-sanchez Colt McCoy http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/13199/colt-mccoy Kirk Cousins http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14880/kirk-cousins Austin Davis http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/15187/austin-davis Mike Glennon http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/15837/mike-glennon Ryan Fitzpatrick (he was technically the starter, but he's a career back-up) http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/8664/ryan-fitzpatrick Charlie Whitehurst http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/9667/charlie-whitehurst Kyle Orton http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/8520/kyle-orton This is just about every second or third stringer who saw at least 2 games in the NFL in 2014. Now, you can look at one or two of these guys and see that EJ has one less fumble, but they almost all beat him in passer rating (Stanton is the only exception), and I believe that they all beat him in Total QBR (not that I'm a firm believer in that stat). And they all beat him in YPA, perhaps the single best indicator of QB success. meaningless stats. Not sure where you get Orton and Fitz being backups considering they've started 100 games between them, but either way, everyone knows backups have the early success factor for their first few games before anyone has film on them. That's why EJ very nearly beat the Pats in his very first NFL game, and why lots of backups can pop in and do well for a few games, but would worsen consistently as teams compiled tape and game planned against them. Best example this year is Sanchez with Philly. Also a starter who took his team to two divisional championships. Not bad for a "backup".
RealityCheck Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 EJ is lost against defensive zone concepts. The recipe for shutting him down is the same for Trent Edwards. Rush 3 or 4, and drop 7 or 8 into soft zones=coverage sack/pressure on the ill-timed throw. Too simple.
eball Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 EJs faults cannot be corrected. He is a bust and is finished as a Bill. Look for his release this spring. Imo The plot thickens...hope we hear more on this from you since it's being presumed you are an "insider."
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