Dirtbag Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Fred can go out and say ISIS is full of good guys. It doesn't mean he should, and it doesn't mean he's right. yes, i agree -- fred would be wrong if he came out and said isis is full of good guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 yes, i agree -- fred would be wrong if he came out and said isis is full of good guys. But you think he should? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted William's frozen head Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 the fact that he thinks marrone is "a hell of a coach" and is "surprised he didn't get another head job" confirms that fred pagac is a complete and utter moron. nice of fred to still respect the dude directly responsible for him being unemployed though. He is one of those guys who drills holes in the bottom of a sinking boat to let the water out......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtbag Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 But you think he should? yes. fred is one of the foremost experts on international security and terrorism so i would like to hear him weigh in on isis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Not necessarily. They should keep their mouths shut about things they know nothing about. We're getting closer here. So, a professional football player shouldn't comment about a man who coached him for 2 seasons because he doesn't know anything about him? Or A professional football player shouldn't comment about a man who coached him for 2 seasons because he doesn't know anything about the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I don't think specifically he said anything too egregious. I was talking more in generalities, and then someone brought up that Fred has "the right" to say anything about anyone. I didn't really have a huge problem with what he said about Dougie. That's fair then. I thought it was something specific that you were commenting on. In terms of having "the right" to say something about this situation, I think he would be the only one that would be reputable to make a comment when asked. In terms of saying anything about anyone, I'm pretty sure Fred would hold his tongue unless he was familiar with/part of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Ok I just read that article; Pagac is another moron stuck in the Dark Ages with Saint Doug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 We're getting closer here. So, a professional football player shouldn't comment about a man who coached him for 2 seasons because he doesn't know anything about him? Or A professional football player shouldn't comment about a man who coached him for 2 seasons because he doesn't know anything about the NFL? False dichotomy. A professional football player shouldn't comment about how a man, who coached him for 2 seasons, left because he doesn't know anything about it. That's fair then. I thought it was something specific that you were commenting on. In terms of having "the right" to say something about this situation, I think he would be the only one that would be reputable to make a comment when asked. In terms of saying anything about anyone, I'm pretty sure Fred would hold his tongue unless he was familiar with/part of the situation. Fred has the most credibility out of any Bill, I'll give you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 False dichotomy. A professional football player shouldn't comment about how a man, who coached him for 2 seasons, left because he doesn't know anything about it. via text message, that's what you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Marrone may have left because he didn't see a winning quarterback in his future, given his feelings about EJ the quality of free agents and draftees. Without a quality quarterback and no first round pick, he may have seen strong signs of regression and thus the possibility of getting fired, which would look worse, in his eyes, than quitting on the Bills. Not saying I agree with his decision, but these types of possible reasons might have strongly influenced his thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 via text message, that's what you mean? Are we talking about Fred or somebody else? If it's Fred, I am totally on board with him complaining about the text. That's fine, respect it, whatever. If it's Aaron Williams, I am not on board. AW saying he, "lost all respect," IMO, is ridiculous. What the heck does Aaron know about why Marrone left, just seconds after it's announced by the organization? Oh, nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Are we talking about Fred or somebody else? If it's Fred, I am totally on board with him complaining about the text. That's fine, respect it, whatever. If it's Aaron Williams, I am not on board. AW saying he, "lost all respect," IMO, is ridiculous. What the heck does Aaron know about why Marrone left, just seconds after it's announced by the organization? Oh, nothing. What does he know? He knows that the guy who coached him for 2 seasons walked out. If your wife walked out would you comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 same could be said for folks on this board, yet, here we are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 What does he know? He knows that the guy who coached him for 2 seasons walked out. If your wife walked out would you comment? See, I don't get this. This romanticizing. Your coach is apples to apples with your wife? And no. I wouldn't go out and call my wife a cheating tramp before I knew the reason why she left. Maybe the gardener is trying to murder us and she's leading him away to save me. I'd look pretty stupid, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Ok I just read that article; Pagac is another moron stuck in the Dark Ages with Saint Doug.Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsinytown Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 This whole thing always seemed a little strange to me. I'm still not sure why Marrone left. This thread has some pretty convincing points, both for and against Marrone, but there's something weird about it. Not that it's anything too unusual in the NFL.....this kind of stuff happens pretty frequently. Harbaugh leaving the 49ers comes to mind. These guys are all aggressive, confident, alpha males and I would think that personality conflicts are routine in NFL front offices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) @flapezoid: Pagac: Players talk too much Marrone: Preach Freddie: Maybe yall rite, considering BOFA n all Marrone: What's BOFA? https://t.co/FsyzG1LhLY Edited January 22, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Fred can go out and say ISIS is full of good guys. It doesn't mean he should, and it doesn't mean he's right. Taking your analogy at face value, you're saying Fred shouldn't comment on ISIS, because logically that's not his area of expertise. Which, I'll grant you, is fair and makes sense. Unfortunately (for your analogy), he happens to know A LOT more than you or I about Marrone leaving, rendering his opinion completely valuable, especially when applying your own analogy (as it happens to actually be his area of expertise). You do realize the fallacy in this specific anolgy as it pertains to your argument, right? Also -- does it really matter? I mean at this point what it comes down to is you have a bit of respect for Marrone still, and most of us do not. Taking shots at Fred or Aaron Williams is arbitrary and pointless as it does not deter nor strengthen from your consistent protest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Taking your analogy at face value, you're saying Fred shouldn't comment on ISIS, because logically that's not his area of expertise. Which, I'll grant you, is fair and makes sense. Unfortunately (for your analogy), he happens to know A LOT more than you or I about Marrone leaving, rendering his opinion completely valuable, especially when applying your own analogy (as it happens to actually be his area of expertise). You do realize the fallacy in this specific anolgy as it pertains to your argument, right? Also -- does it really matter? I mean at this point what it comes down to is you have a bit of respect for Marrone still, and most of us do not. Taking shots at Fred or Aaron Williams is arbitrary and pointless as it does not deter nor strengthen from your consistent protest. I assure you, Fred has very little insight on the inner workings of the Bills front office, which was cited as the reason Marrone left. Fred also didn't comment on him leaving, only "how," he did it. AW was the one who should have not said anything. I'm not taking shots at anyone. I love Fred and I like AW, but that doesn't mean they are infallible. Even if you hate Marrone, publicly bashing a HC is a bad look. You get that, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Even if you hate Marrone, publicly bashing a HC is a bad look. You get that, right? It's not publicly bashing a HC. It's publicly bashing an OL coach. You get that, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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