FireChan Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 It's not publicly bashing a HC. It's publicly bashing an OL coach. You get that, right? Splitting hairs. He was an HC candidate who was an HC 5 minutes before. It's okay to say, "I hate Marrone, and AW shouldn't have said that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 And sounds really grumpy doing it Former Bills assistant supported Doug Marrone's decision http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=buffalo-bills&id=17140&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2Ff19WGG3ll9%22%7D "That’s the business. He’s taking care of himself, his family. That’s the No. 1 thing you do as a man, all right?" Yeah really took care of his Family, OLine coach make so much more than the HC (even with an extra 4 mil) Maroon would have been better off toughing it out than go out like a chump, good luck getting another HC Saint Dug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Your coach is apples to apples with your wife? Says the guy who brought ISIS into the equation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmsbills Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Pagac still needs a job - so say nothing at all as most coaches have done or say smothering nice. No other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 The biggest thing I have taken from this thread is the knowledge that FireChan has a gardener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 First, Fred Jackson had no INPUT into the decision Marrone made, or in the Ryan hiring. He has an OPINION after the fact. Big difference. Get that f....ing straight, Pagac. Second, Marrone was as much or as little "under the gun" as any other coach. He had another year on his contract, and he had failed to motivate his team to beat the Raiders, eliminating them from the playoffs. Why does that entitle him to an extension, beyond the year he already had to go? That's not "under the gun", it's the nature of the coaching business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 First, Fred Jackson had no INPUT into the decision Marrone made, or in the Ryan hiring. He has an OPINION after the fact. Big difference. Get that f....ing straight, Pagac. Second, Marrone was as much or as little "under the gun" as any other coach. He had another year on his contract, and he had failed to motivate his team to beat the Raiders, eliminating them from the playoffs. Why does that entitle him to an extension, beyond the year he already had to go? That's not "under the gun", it's the nature of the coaching business. He had two years to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 You're right, he had two years to go. Which makes my point stronger. How could he be more "under the gun" that any coach in the league? How much job security does he have in Jax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle flap Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 @flapezoid: Pagac: Players talk too much Marrone: Preach Freddie: Maybe yall rite, considering BOFA n all Marrone: What's BOFA? https://t.co/FsyzG1LhLY haha that's me! wonder how many here are familiar with bofa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) You're right, he had two years to go. Which makes my point stronger. How could he be more "under the gun" that any coach in the league? How much job security does he have in Jax?Most likely he was just making a power play move on Pegula. pegula said no or as reported awhile ago agreed. that I think was debunked. "Under the gun" is part of the job. Unless your name is Walsh, Belicheck*. Your right as a line coach in jagsville with a losing franchise. I would take the bIlls anyday over his situation now. Edited January 22, 2015 by Best Player Available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 haha that's me! wonder how many here are familiar with bofalol that was hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 While I love Fred, I'm not sure if I necessarily agree. He's a great guy and loves Buffalo. No question. But I don't know if he ever turned down an extra $4 million to stay here. Fred was defending Hackett far more than he was slamming Marrone. The shots I saw from Fred toward Marrone we all implied and indirect. Granted, Marrone's skin is thinner any substance known to man, but geez. You're such a Marrone fanboy that Fred must be the bad guy for defending Hackett? Is it possible that Marrone is spending 2015 in Florida to get the electoral vote there and sweep into to office shocking both Hillary and Jeb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordong Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Just be glad the all the wanker's are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 False dichotomy. A professional football player shouldn't comment about how a man, who coached him for 2 seasons, left because he doesn't know anything about it. Fred has the most credibility out of any Bill, I'll give you that. Baloney. Fred might not know WHY Doug left, but he certainly knows HOW Doug left. See the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) I have no earthly idea who Fred Pagac is, so Googling him says he was the Bills linebackers coach. Based on the improved linebacker play this year, dude may be a good coach. That said, his quotes in the article reek of sarcasm. He used the clauses "I guess", and "all right", after a number of statements. Then his "Players should be seen and not heard" rant indicated a high level of agitation. At that point, I stopped listening to Fred Pagac. Clearly stone-age thinking in today's NFL, but highly indicative of past NFL thinking of the players as commodities to be bought and sold on the block. Dude should retire. I thought next year was Maroon's final year, but he did indeed sign a 4-year contract. He had two years left, so he was neither under-the-gun nor a lame duck. For Maroon to think he had done enough to secure a contract extension is laughable. Sub-.500 record. Threw the developing QB under the bus and stunted the growth of the team for the sake of meaningless wins. Played Orton against NE with nothing to gain but that 9-7 record to pad the resume. The way things played out, it is reasonable to assume that Maroon planned to opt-out all along. Pagac is wrong saying Maroon was under the gun and had no support. He still had two years left, so I'm calling bullsh on that. As far as Fred Jackson speaking out, good for Fred Jackson. As a team leader, he told everyone that it was time to move on from Maroon and not give it a second thought. FJ HAD TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT. Pagac is also wrong there. You don't tug on Superman's cape, you don't spit into the wind.... To Maroon, I say this: Galatians 6:7 Edited January 22, 2015 by Fred Jackson Jockstrap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 The biggest thing I have taken from this thread is the knowledge that FireChan has a gardener. and that he seems to be gullible when it comes to stories about his gardener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 He's had an unneeded comment or two through the years but gets a pretty free pass Good point Saint. I bet none of the coaches like Fred speaking out in preseason with the Piitsburgh practices , game, and then practice again. I forget the exact circumstances. But even so, it was widely reported Fred was one on Marrones staunchest supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) Are we talking about Fred or somebody else? If it's Fred, I am totally on board with him complaining about the text. That's fine, respect it, whatever. If it's Aaron Williams, I am not on board. AW saying he, "lost all respect," IMO, is ridiculous. What the heck does Aaron know about why Marrone left, just seconds after it's announced by the organization? Oh, nothing. AW probably "lost all respect" because per some of the players they found out he chose to leave via social media. The text from the personnel dept (not Marrone himself) came after it hit social media. Two days earlier he stood in front of them in a team meeting and preached "Bills family." He took the money and ran instead of moving forward with what they were building as a team. I have no issue with AW not respecting that, or saying so on Twitter. Whether AW knew the details doesn't change the perception of the fact he quit and he did it in a very cold way. Edited January 22, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 AW probably "lost all respect" because per some of the players they found out he chose to leave via social media. The text from the personnel dept (not Marrone himself) came after it hit social media. Two days earlier he stood in front of them in a team meeting and preached "Bills family." He took the money and ran instead of moving forward with what they were building as a team. I have no issue with AW not respecting that, or saying so on Twitter. But as FireChan points out AW spoke about losing all respect for Doug Marrone. Doug Marrone!!!! How could someone of Aaron Williams' stature dare question the motivations and reasoning of such a higher entity like Doug Marrone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 AW can say whatever he wants. He doesn't work on firechan's plantation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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