BringBackFergy Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 It's a discussion point but "scary culture issue" is the talking point that I'm not seeing on non-bills boards. Especially nfc ones. What do you mean by that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I will say it is funny that ESPN and others are putting Brady's comments on as some sort of proof that this did not happen.  Some dude on ESPN, former ref, said if this did happen only a $25,000 fine.  Again, much ado about nothing ESPN carries water for the league….hardly a place to find fair and balanced reporting.  The great thing about this is, outside of the Patriots fan base and some on this board with severe Stockholm Syndrome, nobody's buying it.  That, in and of itself, strips whatever luster was left on "the dynasty"…people flat out find it very believable that they did cheat, do cheat and have been cheating nonstop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Why are you acting like the Patriots haven't been caught by the league for cheating before? "Haters immediately reach guilty verdict?" If someone had been caught robbing houses and then a house got robbed on his street a couple years later, who do you think the cops are going to question first??? for starters, there is a huge difference in questioning vs predetermining guilt. NFL rules stipulate that footballs must be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch and weigh between 14 and 15 ounces. there is not a shred of information about what any ball weighed or was inflated to. balls are routinely switched out and or removed from the game (dry vs wet balls, ne's vs indy's balls, kickoff vs game balls).  but don't let that stop haters from assumimg something illegal took place.  http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/12193345/nfl-investigating-whether-new-england-patriots-deflated-footballs-indianapolis-colts  There also is a second set of six footballs, used specifically for the kicking game, that are marked appropriately and remain in the possession of officials at all times. Former NFL official Jim Daopoulos, in an interview with ESPN on Monday morning, explained the process in which footballs are managed. Two hours and 15 minutes before each game, officials inspect 12 footballs from each team and put a mark on them to indicate they meet the proper requirements and are good for usage. Then those footballs are given to the ball attendant. "Officials check balls as they go into the game, and if the ball doesn't feel perfect, they can throw it out," Daopoulos said. "There is always the possibility that balls can lose air due to the conditions." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Citing league sources, Bob Kravitz of WTHR-TV in Indianapolis, said "the NFL was investigating the possibility the Patriots deflated football Sunday night." Kravitz, a former Indianapolis Star columnist, tweeted that "at one point the officials took a ball out of play and weighed it."    weighed it ??.....i assure you, they did not have a scale with the sensitivity/accuracy to measure an nfl ball with 12.5-13.5 PSI vs one underinflated. plus the ball was soaking wet, it was probably heavier than a dry one.  http://sports.yahoo.com/news/deflating-feeling--report-puts-patriots-on-defensive-over-footballs--culture-since-spygate-scandal-080638511.html   To concoct a plan that relies on busy attendants altering the ball during the rush of a game in the middle of a stadium with dozens of cameras would be beyond brazen. One false move and a ball could be significantly deflated and cause the refs to realize what is happening. Assuming the attendants would maintain their silence later is even riskier. This is filled with assumptions and speculation.  You can watch video on youtube of a football player going down on a knee, kind of hiding himself (but not really) and pissing on the turf, well behind the sideline. Is that so brazen no one would do it too?  You would need to know how the handling of all the game balls during a game is conducted. For all we know a couple of them were quickly and easily moved from point A in public view to point B out of public view (locker room) and very carefully gone over and modified, then brought back out (in a backpack or anything else) then quickly put into game rotation while a bunch of people stood around making some cover for the exchange.  It may sound crazy and sinister or whatever, but I would be you $10,000 I could pull this off if placed in control of the operation and had a good understanding of how these things normally work in a normal game, when no cheating is occurring.  Come on man....your "brazen" defense is lame. Edited January 19, 2015 by Stopthepain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Yes - google it. Â At the time I posted last night there was only one outlet mentioning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Man, if I was the new HC of the Bills, I would be approaching the Patriots games a bit differently, for sure.  Not sure what you can do, other than remind officials to do their job (did you check the ball PSI?) and have your own little "investigation committee" monitoring airwaves in the stadium, visually monitoring anything in the Patriots booth or sideline...just keep an eye on those bastards! They are probably up to something. As per ESPN:  "I think I've heard it all at this point ... it's ridiculous," Brady said Monday morning during his weekly interview with Boston radio station WEEI. "I don't even respond to stuff like this."  SMART BOY, Brady.  Standard Operating Procedure:  Rule 1: Admit nothing Rule 2: Deny Everything Rule 3: Make counter-accusations  Even old Lance had the world convinced he was not a cheater, vehemently and infamously attacking many famous cycling journalists around the world. "Why would I do something that violent and harmful to my own body!? Are you insane? I'm an elite athlete, why would I choose to physically hurt myself?!"  Ha ha ha.....good one Lance! You forgot: denounce those with an opposing viewpoint (critical thinkers) as "jealous" "conspiracy theorists" "tin foil hatters" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Â At the time I posted last night there was only one outlet mentioning it. Yeah, I think it was Newsday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 This could be a great game . I'm not sure I care anymore as it feels ... Off . Â Between officiating and little billy and it's a high stakes billionaires game . It's easy to bet on a pure game but .. I have no idea what to think anymore . Feeling foolish and a sucker . Hopefully everyone is tired of being hoodwinked . I never hated the dolphins like this . I respected them and wanted to win against them as a measuring stick . It's hard to think that way against the pats and it frustrates people. Â THIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 You forgot: denounce those with an opposing viewpoint (critical thinkers) as "jealous" "conspiracy theorists" "tin foil hatters" Â I fully admit I'm jealous of the *pats success as a fan of the Buffalo Bills. I also fully admit that as a Bills fan nothing gives me more pleasure than rooting for the other AFC East teams to fall on their face. I fully admit that I'm wearing a tinfoil hat as I type this. Â All that said, cheaters are cheaters and the *pats are scumbags by any ethical definition of the term. Bellicheat is a sociopath who happens to be gifted at coaching... and bending the rules to suit his own interests. If he coached for the Bills I'd love him. But he doesn't, he cheats -- I mean coaches -- for the *pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 You forgot: denounce those with an opposing viewpoint (critical thinkers) as "jealous" "conspiracy theorists" "tin foil hatters"and "Bills fans" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Â At the time I posted last night there was only one outlet mentioning it. I woke up at about 6:00am this morning, saw the thread here about this, and immediately went to ESPN for information. Â There simply was no headline or article anywhere on the site (including the NFL only mini-site) (that I could find at least) mentioning anything about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8prisoner Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 It reminds of why I never liked wrestling beside the Andre the giant spectacle and Andy Kaufman I think the owners must believe that negative attention pays as much or more .. It just dumbs down the audience that gets mad when the ref misses the stuff behind his back . The intelligent take the high road to avoid feeling like a sucker. Make no mistake . Read the Leary book quotes if you don't believe so this at least doesn't surprise you. They do cheat and manipulate level of deception beyond the original intent . Whining makes us look weak but dont believe it isn't true and be lazy unless you are ok with another loss . As fans . They deserve to dread coming to buffalo, to the point they stay 30 min away at the motel 6 . Pegula Kelly and Rex are right . One buffalo wins. How would you bear lance .. Stick a stick in his spokes .. And that didn't work . He and the patriots are good but highly insecure . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 You forgot: denounce those with an opposing viewpoint (critical thinkers) as "jealous" "conspiracy theorists" "tin foil hatters" That's the counter-accusation bit, rule 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 ESPN carries water for the league.hardly a place to find fair and balanced reporting. Â The great thing about this is, outside of the Patriots fan base and some on this board with severe Stockholm Syndrome, nobody's buying it. Â That, in and of itself, strips whatever luster was left on "the dynasty"people flat out find it very believable that they did cheat, do cheat and have been cheating nonstop. I think everywhere I've read leans towards "theres a pretty good chance they did it but it's not a huge advantage even if they did, it didn't effect that game, and most (if not all teams) partake in little things like this" where this board is talking first rounders, suspensions and like they should be kicked out of the super bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Now that I think about it, Belicheat was an assistant on the Giants in the 90. What the hell kind of ball did Norwood kick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Â I fully admit I'm jealous of the *pats success as a fan of the Buffalo Bills. I also fully admit that as a Bills fan nothing gives me more pleasure than rooting for the other AFC East teams to fall on their face. I fully admit that I'm wearing a tinfoil hat as I type this. Â All that said, cheaters are cheaters and the *pats are scumbags by any ethical definition of the term. Bellicheat is a sociopath who happens to be gifted at coaching... and bending the rules to suit his own interests. If he coached for the Bills I'd love him. But he doesn't, he cheats -- I mean coaches -- for the *pats. Fair enough! Can't blame you for that, and enjoy that you are atleast honest about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Now that I think about it, Belicheat was an assistant on the Giants in the 90. What the hell kind of ball did Norwood kick? Well as I understand how this works, he would have kicked OUR OWN ball under OUR OWN CONTROL and (hopefully) inflated to perfectly nominal pressures so he could hit the freaking field goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Fair enough! Can't blame you for that, and enjoy that you are atleast honest about it. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I think everywhere I've read leans towards "theres a pretty good chance they did it but it's not a huge advantage even if they did, it didn't effect that game, and most (if not all teams) partake in little things like this" where this board is talking first rounders, suspensions and like they should be kicked out of the super bowl Hold it! Are people saying that this type of thing is done all around the league and everyone knows it? Like these sorts of little "cheats" and "advantages" are part of the fabric of the sport, and everyone knows it? If that's true, I'd be surprised. It also means the way footballs are managed during a game should change, if for no other reason, to get rid of this type of negative press. It only detracts from the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K8prisoner Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Now that I think about it, Belicheat was an assistant on the Giants in the 90. What the hell kind of ball did Norwood kick? This is where people think you go too far but the point is correct , in that, it's makes your mind try to connect dots . The intelligent scoff . It's the same reason lance got away with it for so long. No one wants to teach a class about the zapbruder film because being "that" guy is insufferable . It's the weakness of the intelligent . Nobody wants to fooled . I am amazed lance got caught . It took greed and jealousy on both sides to make pettiness last long enough for the truth to be exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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