DC Tom Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Where does stealing team signals rank? All 3 provide an advantage. Just below holding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 11 of 12 ! it's systemic The number of ball(s) in question, or even if any ball(s) are/is in question, has never been corroborated by the league! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 And jamming a gauge into it, and checking to see that it is at the right pressure, and doing it to every ball, repeatedly, unnoticed, every game, every season, for 15 years. Your posts on the subject just reek of desperation. The number of ball(s) in question, or even if any ball(s) are/is in question, has never been corroborated by the league! It's hasn't been corroborated by the league that Brady wasn't involved, too. Guess he's guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 The number of ball(s) in question, or even if any ball(s) are/is in question, has never been corroborated by the league! you sure about that? Just a PFT spin cycle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) I think you are coming around to my point. Leadership and discipline begin at the top. My point is that that every team would be penalized, and every coach suspended because they all have had PED users caught. But you want to start now, with the Pats. Fair enough, let's see how the BIlls fair under those conditions... Edited January 23, 2015 by HoF Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 It's hasn't been corroborated by the league that Brady wasn't involved, too. Guess he's guilty. Cmon, let's at least be sensible about this. Those making the claim need to provide proof of the claim. It's not up to anyone on the Pats to provide proof of their innocence. That's like asking someone to prove a negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 My piont is that that every team would be penalized, and every coach suspended because they all have had PED users caught. But you want to start now, with the Pats. Fair enough, let's see how the BIlls fair under those conditions... No i dont want to start with the Pats. I want the field to be a level playing field with equal opportunities for teams to succeed by honest efforts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Your posts on the subject just reek of desperation. THen they should be easy to deflate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 you sure about that? Just a PFT spin cycle? Not sure what PFT is but someone's spinning ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 THen they should be easy to deflate. We have been for two days. You just keep doing your Brady impression, crying and pretending there's nothing wrong and embarrassing yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) And jamming a gauge into it, and checking to see that it is at the right pressure, and doing it to 12 balls, repeatedly, unnoticed, every game, every season, for 15 years. For how small a gauge and deflation device is, Yea, I'm not surprised. If it came to pumping a ball up that footage would be easily seen. But at the same time the pats could easily say "This ball is flat" and get it fixed. Edited January 23, 2015 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Cmon, let's at least be sensible about this. Those making the claim need to provide proof of the claim. It's not up to anyone on the Pats to provide proof of their innocence. That's like asking someone to prove a negative. This is a fair statement. They should not have to defend a supposition. I am no longer discussing whether they did or did not. I am saying rules need to be abided by or punishments enforced. otherwise whats the point? Helter Skelter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 For how small a gauge and deflation device is, Yea, I'm not surprised. If it came to pumping a ball up that footage would be easily seen. But at the same time the pats could easily say "This ball is flat" and get it fixed. You don't even need a gauge. Just an inflation needle. You could hide that under a wristband. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Not sure what PFT is but someone's spinning ..... Pro football talk http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/22/three-days-later-belichick-has-no-explanation-for-deflated-footballs/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 One stat worth noting is that before this all happened SB tickets were tracking at 12% below average. Today they're tracking at 12% above average, a 24% increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 For how small a gauge and deflation device is, Yea, I'm not surprised. If it came to pumping a ball up that footage would be easily seen. But at the same time the pats could easily say "This ball is flat" and get it fixed. Right. A guy going around ball to ball, or standing next to them (not sure how they are stored), trying to act nonchalant, every game, every season, and it wouldn't look suspicious watching it now? And no one, not a fan in the stands, or any of the cameras have that scene recorded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurmasThoman Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) I don't understand this implication that the NFL needs to prove that a specific person is responsible for this. In baseball, if a player breaks a bat that is corked, and an opposing player picks it up, hands it to the ump, and the ump confirms its corked, the MLB officials don't need to prove that anyone person in particular corked the bat--it is assumed that the player using it corked it to gain their advantage. Relevant because: 1) NFL refs confirm all game balls are within regs 2) Game starts 3) Brady throws a pick 4) colts player that intercepts it complains its underinflated 5) refs check balls 6) 11 of 12 patriots balls are "significantly below psi thresh hold". Why do we need somone on the grasssy knoll holding a smoking sniper rifle with a sworn statement saying they shot kennedy? I think it's pretty clear Brady cheated. Why wouldnt he? He's old, last year was a bad year for him, he looked awful the first month of this season, there was talk he could get benched, and then BOOM, the magic is back. And then you got players here and there all season talking about underinflated balls. Interesting. Suspend him the same amount of games as a first time PED user. However--Seattle's defense is way better than the defenses Brady faced at the beginning of the season. I expect a very bad performance for him if he doesnt get suspended, as hell be forced to play with regulation balls in a neutral arena. Remember: 0-7 on the road in the playoffs. He can't hack it without his doctored balls and private radio frequencies. Edited January 23, 2015 by JohnnyGold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 You don't even need a gauge. Just an inflation needle. You could hide that under a wristband. Yeah, but supposedly the balls are all deflated to the same pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 It's crazy to think the league didn't know about this. It's also not crazy to think they decided to make a big deal out of it 2 weeks before the SB for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 You don't even need a gauge. Just an inflation needle. You could hide that under a wristband. its true. I have some performance cars and i am often checking hot and cold tire pressure. very small accurate device. there are also little check valves that can be preset to release an accurate amount of air to a set pressure quickly and quietly. and heck i am not even trying to game the system! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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