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Either Bill and Tom are total idiots or they are lying. Guessing the latter. I can buy Bill's claim of ignorance more than Tom's though.

 

DO you really think most NFL coaches get involved with the ball psi? It's only because it's Belichick that you want to believe it so badly.

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You didn't watch? You could see them (Bettis, especially) hesitate, as though they weren't sure they could give an honest opinion. Then they each picked up steam as they realized "Hey, the producer and director are going to let me say this!"

 

They normally get instructions to not cast the NFL in a negative light. Clearly they were expecting to be told to tone it down, and weren't.

ESPN has cut extreme both ways at times. i didnt see it, but ive seen espn air some pretty ridiculous comments so im slow to say "oh well if espn allowed it, its probably true"

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DO you really think most NFL coaches get involved with the ball psi? It's only because it's Belichick that you want to believe it so badly.

You mean the coach notorious for breaking or bending rules as well as being a total control freak?

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DO you really think most NFL coaches get involved with the ball psi? It's only because it's Belichick that you want to believe it so badly.

 

Do you really think that a coach who knows the rules so well that he invents new formations based on loopholes in the rules didn't know the rules for inflating a football?

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Come on. I've been trying to argue that he's been using the same balls for years. That's his benchmark for measuring. No one ever raised the issue before because no one ever went after them on the issue.

Dave, the refs had already planned to re-check the balls at halftime. That was predetermined before Sunday night because of earlier accusations. They were going to take all the balls at halftime and recheck them to see if they were deflated. You really think they DIDNT measure them before the game in one when they were already planning on measuring them at halftime? :wallbash: They forgot?

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ESPN has cut extreme both ways at times. i didnt see it, but ive seen espn air some pretty ridiculous comments so im slow to say "oh well if espn allowed it, its probably true"

And if you go to to any teams message board, they all think ESPN hates their team.

 

Agree saint, i ain't sold based on what those guys are saying, although I will consider it

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ESPN has cut extreme both ways at times. i didnt see it, but ive seen espn air some pretty ridiculous comments so im slow to say "oh well if espn allowed it, its probably true"

 

I didn't say anything was true. I said it was ridiculous to even imply that ESPN was tied to some conspiracy against the Pats. And said that Brady was getting eviscerated on ESPN, which was true.

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Right. A crime is a crime, and the punishment should be the same for all crimes?

Dude, you're a troll. Go away.

 

Who are you, really?

 

You sound like some guy named Joey Costa, a Patriots fan from Revere for Christ's sake.

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Dave, the refs had already planned to re-check the balls at halftime. That was predetermined before Sunday night because of earlier accusations. They were going to take all the balls at halftime and recheck them to see if they were deflated. You really think they DIDNT measure them before the game in one when they were already planning on measuring them at halftime? :wallbash: They forgot?

You know Kelly...i cant get my head around that.

 

If true..and i think it is...they were willing to let the Pats play a half with illegal balls? Does that make sense?

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Dave, the refs had already planned to re-check the balls at halftime. That was predetermined before Sunday night because of earlier accusations. They were going to take all the balls at halftime and recheck them to see if they were deflated. You really think they DIDNT measure them before the game in one when they were already planning on measuring them at halftime? :wallbash: They forgot?

See my post above. I don't think anyone is ever checking those balls in any precise way. Ever. You're welcome to believe that they are, but bear in mind that there is more than one organization trying to cover it's ass here. The Pats are one of them. The league is the other. Again, spend some time in large organizations and watch how careless people are about purportedly small issues.

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Do you really think that a coach who knows the rules so well that he invents new formations based on loopholes in the rules didn't know the rules for inflating a football?

 

 

 

I don't believe it would be a priority for him. I think he would be busy looking for loopholes elsewhere.

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The refs checked the balls and they were 12.5. They checked them again and they were 10.5 or under. 11 out of 12.

 

You believe Brady never squeezed a ball to find out if it was "perfect" and to his liking? :wallbash:

 

The head banging guy in your post is perfect. It applies to this whole thing:

 

  • "It is no big deal"
  • "Everyone does it"
  • "it didn't matter, the colts got blown out"
  • "Brady didn't know"
  • "Belechick seems to be telling the truth"

The balls were checked and they were fine, they were subsequently checked and they were not fine by a fair amount. The league was notified of a potential similar issue in November. You have all sorts of former players, immediately recognizable names, who use some variation of "this ain't cool.". When was the last time that happened, including spygate?

 

 

Jesus, here's something crazy. Yeah, we did it, but we didn't think it would be such a big deal.

 

NFL is bound to look silly here.

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You know Kelly...i cant get my head around that.

 

If true..and i think it is...they were willing to let the Pats play a half with illegal balls? Does that make sense?

How else would you do it. I suppose you could take balls out at different times in the game but that would probably arose suspicion. The best way it seems is to weight them all before the game, let the half play out, then start to take them out of the game. They also took one out at the beginning of the second half. That was the first one minute delay.

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You know Kelly...i cant get my head around that.

 

If true..and i think it is...they were willing to let the Pats play a half with illegal balls? Does that make sense?

 

It does only if they wanted concrete evidence of wrong-doing. Check the balls before the game, check them at the half, see if they're meaningfully different (i.e. vary more than temperature would allow.)

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See my post above. I don't think anyone is ever checking those balls in any precise way. Ever. You're welcome to believe that they are, but bear in mind that there is more than one organization trying to cover it's ass here. The Pats are one of them. The league is the other. Again, spend some time in large organizations and watch how careless people are about purportedly small issues.

i understand if you are saying in other games. I am talking about this specific one. Why would they NOT check when they are LOOKING specifically for cheating by deflation? In this game.

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