Kelly the Dog Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 ball boy: hows this feel? Tommys best possible answer: good but can you get it a bit softer? ball boy after adjusting: hows this? Tommys best possible answer: perfect, lets stick as close to that as you can get me. instead of "i want it 11.5 and do it after the inspection if needed: realistically, the latter is probably closer to the conversation but the former would be the type of defense likely to be used was all i was saying. Either way it's admitting he's cheating. They started at 12.5. There is no way he can say that and have anyone except a lying Pat fan say it wasn't cheating. Brady knows they start at the lowest limit. BB said that is the ONLY thing he knows about it.
DC Tom Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 If I was Tom I wouldn't be making ANY comments about how the ball felt, and having a ball boy make multiple PSI adjustments to get it how I like it. Why would you go down that road at all? "I just told the ball boy that I'd like it softer. I trusted him to know the allowed minimum pressure, and not go below it. I was betrayed, too."
Kelly the Dog Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 "I just told the ball boy that I'd like it softer. I trusted him to know the allowed minimum pressure, and not go below it. I was betrayed, too." As I said above that it 100% unbelievable, since Bellicheat already said the Pats keep the balls at the lowest allowed pressure, 12.5. Anything Brady would tell the ballboy about lowering would be admitting cheating. No one on Earth would believe that the only thing Bellichick knows about pressure is that the Patriots keep it at the lowest limit, and then Brady doesn't know this?
stevewin Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) "I just told the ball boy that I'd like it softer. I trusted him to know the allowed minimum pressure, and not go below it. I was betrayed, too." At this point though, you would have to believe no rational beings would believe this, and he'd come off looking even worse (one would hope) Edited January 22, 2015 by stevewin
BuffaloRebound Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Culture of cheating. Only way to make it stop is to ban Belichick for a long time. If Goodell has any guts or integrity, that's what he should do. Let him coach the Super Bowl and if they win, asterisk the crap out of it. After that, ban him for at least 2 years. Taking away the 31st or 32nd pick in the draft is a joke. Already tried that, cheating culture continued.
Fadingpain Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 "I just told the ball boy that I'd like it softer. I trusted him to know the allowed minimum pressure, and not go below it. I was betrayed, too." Yeah but now you are conceding that you are aware of legal PSI tolerances. Better to deny any knowledge at all, like Belicheat just did. Better to say "Oh I talk to the ball boy all the time about how we like to scuff the balls for feel....who ever talked about PSI?"
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Brady warned us after the Divisional Round where he laughed at the Ravens for not knowing the rules: "“Maybe those guys gotta study the rule book and figure it out. We obviously knew what we were doing and we made some pretty important plays. It was a real good weapon for us. Maybe we’ll have something in store next week.” http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/tom-brady-ravens-study-the-rule-book Add to it Brady pushed for the rule (along with Manning), and then knowingly broke them. The guy is classless. I hope a reporter has the balls to throw this quote as well as the laughing "I don't know anything about that" after the game he threw out. :thumbsup:
YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Culture of cheating. Only way to make it stop is to ban Belichick for a long time. If Goodell has any guts or integrity, that's what he should do. Let him coach the Super Bowl and if they win, asterisk the crap out of it. After that, ban him for at least 2 years. Taking away the 31st or 32nd pick in the draft is a joke. Already tried that, cheating culture continued. there does seem to be a culture of cheating and even when it isn't needed. BB is paranoid.
sodbuster Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 This is all too believable. I've seen Brady freaking out on the sidelines after losing a lead, practically foaming at the mouth. I don't find it hard to believe that this guy is the type to cheat to get ahead. That doesn't mean that I think Belichick is innocent.
Fadingpain Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 As I said above that it 100% unbelievable, since Bellicheat already said the Pats keep the balls at the lowest allowed pressure, 12.5. Anything Brady would tell the ballboy about lowering would be admitting cheating. No one on Earth would believe that the only thing Bellichick knows about pressure is that the Patriots keep it at the lowest limit, and then Brady doesn't know this? When did Bellicheat say that though? In his PC you mean? He said: "In my entire coaching career I have never talked to any player, staff member about football air pressure." He went on to say that since this all went down, he has learned a lot about the whole football prep process...and suggested if their balls were inflated to 12.5, any deflation (from weather is what he meant) would take us under the accepted range. I don't think he said anything which can be construed to be "We as an organization deliberately set our ball pressure to 12.5 PSI before every game." In fact, he said he didn't even know of this until after the fact. Doesn't matter and the important part is what you wrote, namely, the entire thing is just unbelievable. None of this passes the sophisticated "bad smell" legal test! LOL Guys who are in the know all across America right now are laughing at this stuff. I'm talking about football coaches at high levels, QBs, equipment guys, etc. Insiders who would know about this type of thing. They ALL know how this sort of thing is done and the "culture" of this. And they all know EVERYONE in NE knew about this...and that they all had to deliberately cheat in order to get all the balls "low" by 2 or 3 PSI.
DC Tom Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Yeah but now you are conceding that you are aware of legal PSI tolerances. Better to deny any knowledge at all, like Belicheat just did. Better to say "Oh I talk to the ball boy all the time about how we like to scuff the balls for feel....who ever talked about PSI?" "I just told the ball boy I'd like the ball softer. I trusted he'd know any rules regarding it and follow them." And this isn't a court of law. He doesn't need to make an affirmative defense, he just needs to create enough uncertainty to give himself an out.
Prickly Pete Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) Yes to both. Doesn't matter who cheats or when, it's the same crime. If you think my comments on this topic are motivated by being a member of the Kool Aid Klub, you haven't read many of my posts here. I'm not a Kool Aid kind of guy. I'm probably as critical of the Bills organization as anyone here. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/cheat/news/story?id=2957893 They are all cheating, according to a long list of former players and coaches. Stretching the rules however they can. This transgression normally carries a $25,000 fine ($5,000 more than grabbing your crotch, and that for a player with a history transgressions). Edited January 22, 2015 by HoF Watkins
thronethinker Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 If it is found that Belicheat did know about pressure changes, he could be out of a job after publicly denying any knowledge.
DC Tom Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/cheat/news/story?id=2957893 They are all cheating, according to a long list of former players and coaches. Stretching the rules however they can. This transgression normally carries a $25,000 fine ($5,000 more than grabbing your crotch, and that for a player with a history transgressions). There's our kool aid drinker! What flavor are you imbibing today? Almond?
zow2 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Brady's PC should be interesting. If he says he knew nothing about the footballs then he's lying. I actually believed Belichek. Usually he is evasive or says very little. In this case he was wordy and categorically denied knowing anything about it. He left no wiggle room for interpretation. On the flip side he may not have ordered the Code Red but he probably knew of it's existence in the sub-culture of his lockerroom. Lol
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Brady's PC should be interesting. If he says he knew nothing about the footballs then he's lying. I actually believed Belichek. Usually he is evasive or says very little. In this case he was wordy and categorically denied knowing anything about it. He left no wiggle room for interpretation. On the flip side he may not have ordered the Code Red but he probably knew of it's existence in the sub-culture of his lockerroom. Lol Belicheat has been lying for years on the weekly injury report. Hell, they Gov't uses Belicheat to test their lie detectors he's so casual about it.
DC Tom Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Brady's PC should be interesting. If he says he knew nothing about the footballs then he's lying. I actually believed Belichek. Usually he is evasive or says very little. In this case he was wordy and categorically denied knowing anything about it. He left no wiggle room for interpretation. On the flip side he may not have ordered the Code Red but he probably knew of it's existence in the sub-culture of his lockerroom. Lol He was overly precise. "I never discussed air pressure with any player or staff member." When you're that precise - "air pressure" - you're often leaving yourself an out, along the lines of "Well, what I said was literally true."
Prickly Pete Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 There's our kool aid drinker! What flavor are you imbibing today? Almond? Here I am, someone right here to direct your petty vitriol towards.
BillnutinHouston Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 If it is found that Belicheat did know about pressure changes, he could be out of a job after publicly denying any knowledge. Agreed, but a huge IF. Proving his knowledge is likely impossible and he's too shrewd not to ensure a continual state of plausible deniability for himself. This is also true of proving Brady's knowledge that the pressure was DEFINITIVELY outside of league-approved parameters.
Prickly Pete Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 He was overly precise. "I never discussed air pressure with any player or staff member." When you're that precise - "air pressure" - you're often leaving yourself an out, along the lines of "Well, what I said was literally true." Really now, was there ANY way he could have denied the allegations that you wouldn't have found fault with?
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