4merper4mer Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I don't want to defend him, it's the last thing I wanna do, but to be fair, what he was talking about there was not pressure, it was players complaining about the balls they use in practice. As soon as they complain about anything he makes them worse so they stop bitching. But, you're right that he knows enough about pressure to make the balls bad in practice, so I would assume he has jacked the pressure up on them at times, to make it more difficult for them, which means he does know all about pressure. He was extremely careful with his words. Which Devils usually are. Exactly. He seemed to be talking about all aspects of difficulty in handling footballs, including but not limited to pressure. It is hard to believe he would be so detailed in practice about all of these things but then be completely ignorant about how things are done on Sundays. It is just completely unbelievable. He was very tight lipped in answering questions, but this diatribe where he defended himself was very telling and IMO did not help his credibility at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 So when is Tommy Foulmouth's press conference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Brady news conference is at 4pm today. Tommy Boy should just come clean. Get out in front of this PR disaster. Let's face it, other QB's have done this over the years..to what extent may never be known. It doesn't sound like a practice that is common, but it's nothing that hasn't been done before to try and gain "a little edge". This is more serious (because it's NE and they have cheated before) but I'd probably compare it to using an illegal curved stick in the NHL. If you're caught it's a 2 min penalty... Some guys get away with it, some are caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 You are missing the point here Please don't imply that a uniform violation is greater offense than cheating. It's neither greater nor worse - it's apples and oranges. One's a suspension for duplicity, and one's a suspension for flat-out stupidity. People lose their jobs because they're stupid, and they lose their jobs when they get caught lying. Both lose their jobs in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) He used the term "air pressure", potentially making a distinction between the technical psi and more generic terms. As example, when describing a partially flat tire on a car, if one was asked if they had discussed the air pressure, they could honestly say "no", having never discussed the actual psi.....but they discussed the fact that it was partially flat. It seems that mostly what he said was that he didn't know about the actual psi ranges required.....and now he does. ..... But, you're right that he knows enough about pressure to make the balls bad in practice, so I would assume he has jacked the pressure up on them at times, to make it more difficult for them, which means he does know all about pressure. He was extremely careful with his words. Which Devils usually are. This highlights my point above. He had full knowledge of making a ball firmer or softer......but didn't actually know the air pressure.....thus when he stated that he has never discussed the air pressure of balls to anybody, he could remain truthful. Edited January 22, 2015 by Dibs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 The whole thing just screams "Occum's Shaver" so much that they may have to rename that phrase "Billy's Balls". Don't know that one. Is it related to Occam's Razor by chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 I honestly think that Belichick has a clear conscience regarding this one. He denied knowing categorically, which means he's either telling the truth or even worse than you think he is. I think he's telling the truth. I think it's all the QB here. So far, Brady has gotten a pass because of BB's past history, but in all likelihood he's the guilty party. Everything I've read about QBs and balls says that the QB has particular likes and dislikes and pretty much controls the balls. Brady's definitely the guilty party. And you're right, he has skated so far. It's harder to believe Bellichick went to Brady and said I have this idea, call me crazy, but I want to deflate the balls to make it easier on you and the RBs without them really discussing that before. I just find it hard to believe that Brady did it completely on his own with the ball boy. And that none of the Patriots receivers or running backs noticed for games at a time or the entire first half when the ONE time the Colts touch it the LB or equipment guy notices immediately. Players are squeezing the ball and holding it in their hands as hard as they can. They would notice. The center would notice. An official just holding it or drying it or lateraling it wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Brady's definitely the guilty party. And you're right, he has skated so far. It's harder to believe Bellichick went to Brady and said I have this idea, call me crazy, but I want to deflate the balls to make it easier on you and the RBs without them really discussing that before. I just find it hard to believe that Brady did it completely on his own with the ball boy. And that none of the Patriots receivers or running backs noticed for games at a time or the entire first half when the ONE time the Colts touch it the LB or equipment guy notices immediately. Players are squeezing the ball and holding it in their hands as hard as they can. They would notice. The center would notice. An official just holding it or drying it or lateraling it wouldn't. ill agree here that brady will have a much harder time with it than BB. BB if fined/suspended will be under "institutional control" issues, and not direct involvement probably. brady will have a hard time answering questions to the league office -- though id be curious how significant the difference in feel is between a barely legal ball and what was out there. clearly different but id be curious how obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 But to suspend a player for a playoff game for a shoe violation versus what they may do to the Patriots is the issue. Not the investigation of the shoe. People are confusing "severity" and "immediacy." A uniform violation can be addressed immediately, because it is obvious. Cheating, not so much (since it's...y'know...cheating). But in terms of severity, it would be ridiculous if the penalties the league threatened Lynch with were greater than what cheating gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Brady news conference is at 4pm today. Tommy Boy should just come clean. Get out in front of this PR disaster. Let's face it, other QB's have done this over the years..to what extent may never be known. It doesn't sound like a practice that is common, but it's nothing that hasn't been done before to try and gain "a little edge". This is more serious (because it's NE and they have cheated before) but I'd probably compare it to using an illegal curved stick in the NHL. If you're caught it's a 2 min penalty... Some guys get away with it, some are caught. As I wrote a day or 2 ago, a curved stick in hockey only benefits the player with the stick, when he is actually taking a shift on the ice. The NE balls benefited every player on the team who touched the ball on every play, including the center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 As I wrote a day or 2 ago, a curved stick in hockey only benefits the player with the stick, when he is actually taking a shift on the ice. The NE balls benefited every player on the team who touched the ball on every play, including the center. and Blount specifically as it was noted the deflation helps the grip and avoid fumbling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 As I wrote a day or 2 ago, a curved stick in hockey only benefits the player with the stick, when he is actually taking a shift on the ice. The NE balls benefited every player on the team who touched the ball on every play, including the center. It even benefited the Clots' LB who intercepted the ball - he had an easier time holding on to it. I'm sure Pats fans will use that as an excuse to cry "See! It benefits both teams! It's not cheating!" (And "Clots" isn't a typo...it was, but I like it, so I didn't correct it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 What I said yesterday morning: http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/175645-new-england-patriots-caught-deflating-game-balls/page-35?do=findComment&comment=3435029 apologies for me twisting your post into my sarcastic post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 and Blount specifically as it was noted the deflation helps the grip and avoid fumbling. Someone posted a link here yesterday (I think) showing the Today Show (?). They took a regulation football and deflated it by 2PSI....and someone squeezed the ball. The amount of deflection was HUGE to my eye and kind of impressive. I mean it really looked "soggy"... This is a forum of football fans! Does someone around here not have a regulation NFL football lying around? Couldn't they do a PSI experiment and report the findings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 ill agree here that brady will have a much harder time with it than BB. BB if fined/suspended will be under "institutional control" issues, and not direct involvement probably. brady will have a hard time answering questions to the league office -- though id be curious how significant the difference in feel is between a barely legal ball and what was out there. clearly different but id be curious how obvious.Those game day footballs are pretty hard. I've passed and caught one before just goofing around. BB says the only thing he knows is they keep their balls on the bottom limit. That's 12.5. The balls they confiscated were 2-3 pounds less than legal. That's 10-20% below. Some articles were saying they were 16% less. That would be significant. Again, the ONE time the Colts touched it they knew. And the TWO times they touched it the last time they knew. It had to be fairly obvious. This whole thing is getting curiouser and curiouser. Brady is about to get pummeled. And as we all know, he takes being hit really well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Those game day footballs are pretty hard. I've passed and caught one before just goofing around. BB says the only thing he knows is they keep their balls on the bottom limit. That's 12.5. The balls they confiscated were 2-3 pounds less than legal. That's 10-20% below. Some articles were saying they were 16% less. That would be significant. Again, the ONE time the Colts touched it they knew. And the TWO times they touched it the last time they knew. It had to be fairly obvious. This whole thing is getting curiouser and curiouser. Brady is about to get pummeled. And as we all know, he takes being hit really well. if they had been told to look out for it, its possible they would immediately jump to that conclusion. im sure we will see plenty of displays on the difference in the coming week - itll be interesting to see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 So ... what did people think of Jimmy Garrapalo's performance against the Bills in week 17? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) It's neither greater nor worse - it's apples and oranges. One's a suspension for duplicity, and one's a suspension for flat-out stupidity. People lose their jobs because they're stupid, and they lose their jobs when they get caught lying. Both lose their jobs in the end. repeatedly bending and breaking the rules for over a decade. Sorry but if the NFL truly wants to make a point that it stands on integrity they need swift action. Say Bellyache is innocent. Then the blame goes to Brady because there is no way the ball boy would treat his balls in a way that Prima donna Tom wouldn't like. Suspend him for the next game. So ... what did people think of Jimmy Garrapalo's performance against the Bills in week 17? Johnny Football was much better Edited January 22, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 So ... what did people think of Jimmy Garrapalo's performance against the Bills in week 17?Jimmy cracked corn and didn't care because they didn't need the game. In other words he sucked but, better than EJ. I believe that was the consensus in the Shoutbox that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 So ... what did people think of Jimmy Garrapalo's performance against the Bills in week 17? He was an awesome scrambler. Quarterback, not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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