papazoid Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 Can you guys recall any other team being accused of cheating? Miami cheated when Zack Thomas told the world that they had the patriots' audibles on tapes seattle pumping extra fan noise through PA system Chargers used a banned sticky substance. NY Jets eric mangini filming patriots pit coach tomlin entered field of play and prevented a TD NY jets coaches tripping gunners on punt returns greg williams on several teams with bounty gate. green bay packer greats Paul Hornung and Alex Karras suspended for betting on games eddie debartolo SF cap violations during super bowl years.
Reed83HOF Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 I did not know that; do you know what they did and whether they were penalized? As I said it was off the cuff. I just tend to recall they always skated on the line of legal and illegal - Stickum is an example. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/cheat/news/story?id=2957892 Denver was fined $100,000 for video taping an opponent's walkthrough under Head Coach Josh McDaniels. Wonder where he got that idea from... Another gift from the Bellicheat cheating coaching tree
HalftimeAdjustment Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 I think everywhere I've read leans towards "theres a pretty good chance they did it but it's not a huge advantage even if they did, it didn't effect that game, and most (if not all teams) partake in little things like this" where this board is talking first rounders, suspensions and like they should be kicked out of the super bowl Hey if those casual fans don't take the integrity of the game seriously, let em watch WWE.
Reed83HOF Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 If you were the NFL, what would you do, and try to take yourself out of hating the Patriots and knowing they are cheaters. It's your league. You need to do what is best for the league. Is the best thing to not let the Patriots play in the SB? Disqualify them and have a Black Sox Scandal on your hands? Give them unprecedented penalties after the season and let them play the SB? It's your league. Your money. Your future. Your reputation. What do you do? Toss the Fu&%ers out...
Prickly Pete Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 As I said it was off the cuff. I just tend to recall they always skated on the line of legal and illegal - Stickum is an example. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/cheat/news/story?id=2957892 THis is a "Stickum" level transgression. A "too much pine tar", "Goalie Pads too wide", "Hockey Stick too curved" level transgression. It's not even a "Corked Bat" level transgression.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 Tough one. If you make it too much of a big deal, it undermines the value of the league. This is why goodell will probably try to brush it under the carpet again, as he did with spygate. I think I might go with a slap on the wrist type penalty, as much as it pains me. A fine and some draft pick loss. The pats hater in me says that they should have a post-season ban for next year. It's really hard. I'm not sure what I would do. Maybe give them a slap on the wrist, and loss of a first round draft choice, then behind the scenes , bring Kraft and Bellichick in to the offices with all the bigwigs and say, we let you off easy. You fukked up. The crime was worse than the punishment but you know we have to protect the league. You have no more chances. ONE more item like this, even smaller or insignificant, and it's lifetime ban for the culprit. Zero tolerance. No more. Nothing. And if you retire it will be the people that follow you on the franchise, so you cannot run.
HalftimeAdjustment Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 why the heck doesn't the NFL provide the footballs at each game rather than having each team provide their own footballs? That makes no sense to me. Just bring a dozen balls to each game and make both sides use them.....Anyway, the Patriots* never seem to amaze....why a team that good has to cheat is beyond me. Let's have all footballs provided by Ernst and Young (or equivalent) just like they hold onto Golden Globe winner envelopes.
K8prisoner Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 This will be blamed on an intern but eleven balls perfectly deflated sounds like teams picking the right cleats no way that Brady the turd and whoever else didn't approve. Someone tell me how anyone. Nationwide could celebrate their win should they do . Pats* may have to play against the zebras like us or lose on purpose. This feels like a contrived villain story . How could they be so arrogant . We have finally seen the end of the NFL ... Welcome to the WWFL. All staged and fixed all the time . Sad really , I was a fan . It's just a spectacle now . Unless the pats forfeit .
Kelly the Dog Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) THis is a "Stickum" level transgression. A "too much pine tar", "Goalie Pads too wide", "Hockey Stick too curved" level transgression. It's not even a "Corked Bat" level transgression. I agree, and good analogy, but to me it's a "too much pine tar" AFTER already convicted for Goalie Pads too wide, Hockey Stick too Curved, AND a corked bat transgression. Edited January 21, 2015 by Kelly the Dog
reddogblitz Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 It's a fine line. If Goodell were to try to brush this one under the rug after the last one, it could hurts the league's reputation as being fair to being a WWE type of operation. I don' think he can brush it too far under the rug this time. Will be interesting to see what he actually does.
Prickly Pete Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 Let's have all footballs provided by Ernst and Young (or equivalent) just like they hold onto Golden Globe winner envelopes. Quarterbacks around the league will be against it. All that is needed closer monitoring.
gordong Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 As I said it was off the cuff. I just tend to recall they always skated on the line of legal and illegal - Stickum is an example. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/cheat/news/story?id=2957892 Wonder where he got that idea from... Another gift from the Bellicheat cheating coaching tree YEP... Wonder who he learn it from..... This is TWICE they have been caught, Doesn't matter if Bob the ball boy physcally is the one who deflated the balls, he was told to do it that much you can be sure. When a pattern emerges, it's not a mistake anymore. (Sure would be nice if Bob the ball boy, blew the whistle though.)
FireChan Posted January 21, 2015 Author Posted January 21, 2015 If you were the NFL, what would you do, and try to take yourself out of hating the Patriots and knowing they are cheaters. It's your league. You need to do what is best for the league. Is the best thing to not let the Patriots play in the SB? Disqualify them and have a Black Sox Scandal on your hands? Give them unprecedented penalties after the season and let them play the SB? It's your league. Your money. Your future. Your reputation. What do you do? It's the second time around, so I would do a hefty fine, and a loss of at least two draft picks. Can't repeat the AFCCG, because logistics. Can't disqualify because of the widespread condemnation that would be bad for business. Only thing you can do is punish heavily. Maybe press Kraft to fire Bill.
Prickly Pete Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) I agree, and good analogy, but to me it's a "too much pine tar" AFTER already convicted for Goalie Pads too wide, Hockey Stick too Curved, AND a corked bat transgression. Yeah, they deserve a harsh penalty for sure. A 1st round pick would be harsh, but that's probably what will be doled out. If it had somehow been uncovered during a game, it would probably be a 15 yard Unsportsman, and a fine after the game. Edited January 21, 2015 by HoF Watkins
Reed83HOF Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 Thanks, guys. You tend to forget about those other incidents. I think this is on par with a stick-em type violation. But maybe since it is a second offense, the league will come down hard on them. Since Goodell is the lord protector of the shield and goes heavy on disciplining repeat offenders you would hope he would grow a set and make an example of these clowns. Just as he does the players. The Pats* should be placed on the commissioners exempt list. The game will be hurt either way, but just bowing down again after the Spygate scandal to the same culprits will bring more shame on the NFL....
FireChan Posted January 21, 2015 Author Posted January 21, 2015 Quarterbacks around the league will be against it. All that is needed closer monitoring. Tell the QB's to shove it. They can retire and give up their $100 million contracts if it's too much of a hardship.
gordong Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 THis is a "Stickum" level transgression. A "too much pine tar", "Goalie Pads too wide", "Hockey Stick too curved" level transgression. It's not even a "Corked Bat" level transgression. IF this was the first time, probably right, but it's not. Now it's past Corked Bat, spitball,and Stealing signs.
HalftimeAdjustment Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 Ben Volin @BenVolin 2m2 minutes ago Globe confirms that game officials discovered at halftime that game balls were underinflated. Tested each ball twice with different gauges So if they found them underinflated at halftime and fixed the issue that would mean the Pats scored more with regulation balls right?
Reed83HOF Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 I agree, and good analogy, but to me it's a "too much pine tar" AFTER already convicted for Goalie Pads too wide, Hockey Stick too Curved, AND a corked bat transgression. You beat me to it. If this was a first time offense of anything close to cheating with the Pats*; fine no big deal. This team and those involved have a history of cheating misunderstanding the rules
K8prisoner Posted January 21, 2015 Posted January 21, 2015 It's really hard. I'm not sure what I would do. Maybe give them a slap on the wrist, and loss of a first round draft choice, then behind the scenes , bring Kraft and Bellichick in to the offices with all the bigwigs and say, we let you off easy. You fukked up. The crime was worse than the punishment but you know we have to protect the league. You have no more chances. ONE more item like this, even smaller or insignificant, and it's lifetime ban for the culprit. Zero tolerance. No more. Nothing. And if you retire it will be the people that follow you on the franchise, so you cannot run. They are trying to make it nothing by Steve youngs response that it didn't help them win . No way luck has that bad a day it was pouring rain . It was a big advantage especially for the running backs holding onto the ball with confidence . Total bs . Colts went in the tank but may have been in it if things were actually equal . That is just the balls not the taping and the missed eligible call on solders touchdown .. Blah blah boring cheating bs instead of actual football . Read icculus
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