Prickly Pete Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 I'm not a scientist, but if the Pats filled the ball with hot air in order to meet the pregame requirements (knowing full well it would deflate by game time), is that cheating? Not to me, as long as the rules don't specify anything to the contrary.
DC Tom Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 Some more food for thought. Not sure what to make of it. http://www.popsci.com/simulations-reveal-patriots-deflated-footballs-made-little-difference Seems half-assed. The write-up is at least: the ball deforms by "2mm" under what simulated pressure? How'd the model the hand grip? And did they model the grip accurately? They modelled a grip with the fingertips only - as I recall, you grip a ball with your whole hand, not just your fingertips. Plus...why even computer model it to begin with? Get a couple of footballs and a deflection gauge, measure the deflection of the surface of the ball under a specific force at 12.5 and 10.5 psi. Easier, cheaper, and more accurate than a computer model. Computer modelling this is computational masturbation - feels good, but doesn't accomplish anything. I'm not a scientist, but if the Pats filled the ball with hot air in order to meet the pregame requirements (knowing full well it would deflate by game time), is that cheating? Not to me, as long as the rules don't specify anything to the contrary. It is if it's to get around the league's pressure requirements. Taking advantage of the league's stupidity is, in fact, cheating.
GG Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 I'm not a scientist, but if the Pats filled the ball with hot air in order to meet the pregame requirements (knowing full well it would deflate by game time), is that cheating? Not to me, as long as the rules don't specify anything to the contrary. Of course it's cheating, especially since they know that hot air will condense much faster in the cold air. This is precisely the douchy maneuver you would expect a borderline criminal enterprise to pull. And this is precisely why they are not respected. It's not jealousy, it's calling out a habitual card cheat.
Prickly Pete Posted January 30, 2015 Posted January 30, 2015 They are meeting the pre-game requirements. After that, it is the responsibility of the officials to make sure the balls are regulation.
GG Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) They are meeting the pre-game requirements. After that, it is the responsibility of the officials to make sure the balls are regulation. No it is not. The regulation is for the balls not to go below a certain PSI. When you inflate it with hot air, knowing that by game time the pressure will be below regulation, you are intentionally circumventing the rules. It's like talking to a cat. This is an ongoing pattern of cheating behavior. It is not an isolated incident. They exist to live on the edge of legal and fair play. They are pond scum, when they don't need to be. Edited January 31, 2015 by GG
NoSaint Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 it is still bending the rules. Week in and week out Belicheat does it. He can't stop himself from cheating We've been fined for it. Literally everyone does this. Teams shouldn't be required to share this.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 They are meeting the pre-game requirements. After that, it is the responsibility of the officials to make sure the balls are regulation. Bellicheat already flat out said they didn't do that. Not that he is believable. And of course it's cheating. You're supposed to provide "game balls" that are within the legal limits. Not supply them for 2 hours before the game started even if that is when they are checked.
Prickly Pete Posted January 31, 2015 Posted January 31, 2015 Bellicheat already flat out said they didn't do that. Not that he is believable. And of course it's cheating. You're supposed to provide "game balls" that are within the legal limits. Not supply them for 2 hours before the game started even if that is when they are checked. I guess we will just have to see how Goodell, and the NFL feel about it, huh? It is their league after all.
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