YoloinOhio Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 @RossJonesFOX: Is EJ Manuel a franchise QB? Rex Ryan says #Bills will 'absolutely' explore FAs and draft picks for competition. http://t.co/LFZwDJLaGK Rex Ryan talks EJ Manuel's future, plans for Sammy Watkins and Bills' elite D
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 FS: What excites you about EJ Manuel's game? RR: Well, I think EJ when he was coming out I remember he was a smart young man. He was dedicated to the game and I think that's what you have to be at that position, in particular. He's got some movement skills. I don't think he uses his legs enough to be quite honest with you, but hopefully we can change that. People that criticize him because he didn't jump in and make it to the playoffs as a rookie or something would be wrong.
Fadingpain Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 better call a Realtor, son Yep! EJ will hang around as a backup in a learning role for a while...while we pursue AND PLAY other QBs. At some point, when it becomes too expensive or complicated to retain him on the roster, he will go bye bye, having never really done anything. That's my prediction.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Ever notice how no one ever says EJ has a great ability to throw the ball, or he can really spin it, or what a thrower, what accuracy etc. Its because the main characteristic of a QB he doesn't possess at the NFL elite level.
1billsfan Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Ever notice how no one ever says EJ has a great ability to throw the ball, or he can really spin it, or what a thrower, what accuracy etc. Its because the main characteristic of a QB he doesn't possess at the NFL elite level. Dude has 19 touchdowns (16 passing/3 rushing) in 14 starts with the 2 amateurs Doug Marrone and Nate Hackett coaching him up. I like how you and the other EJ bashers just ignore the fact that he had a very normal and average slow start to his career that even many elite NFL QBs once had. If everyone on this board was told before he started his first game that he'd have 19 TDs after 14 games started then they'd say that was awesome. Edited January 19, 2015 by 1billsfan
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Dude has 19 touchdowns (16 passing/3 rushing) in 14 starts with the the 2 amateurs Doug Marrone and Nate Hackett coaching him up. I like how you and the other EJ bashers just ignore the fact that he had a very normal and average slow start to his career that even many elite NFL QBs once had. If everyone on this board was told before he started his first game that he'd have 19 TDs after 14 games started then they'd say that was awesome. haters got to hate.
Best Player Available Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 EJ will not finish his rookie contract in buffalo. if they can after this camp or next camp they will cut their losses. Take a late round pick and continue the new era in Buffalo football. he does not posses the football instinct or game to be a NFL successful starting QB. rex is being PC he has to be. he just arrived and Whaley and others depend on it at this point. Thanks Nix, etc.
1billsfan Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 EJ will not finish his rookie contract in buffalo. if they can after this camp or next camp they will cut their losses. Take a late round pick and continue the new era in Buffalo football. he does not posses the football instinct or game to be a NFL successful starting QB. rex is being PC he has to be. he just arrived and Whaley and others depend on it at this point. Thanks Nix, etc. Damn that EJ Manuel for being drafted a project QB and turning out to be a project QB...LOL He's not going anywhere because rookie contracts are very CHEAP. You may wish it to happen, but it won't. Although it will be fun watching the QB competition this year.
Bangarang Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Dude has 19 touchdowns (16 passing/3 rushing) in 14 starts with the 2 amateurs Doug Marrone and Nate Hackett coaching him up. I like how you and the other EJ bashers just ignore the fact that he had a very normal and average slow start to his career that even many elite NFL QBs once had. If everyone on this board was told before he started his first game that he'd have 19 TDs after 14 games started then they'd say that was awesome. The stats by themselves with no other context can be twisted and turned to support different arguments. Heck even Tebow threw for 17TDs and rushed for 12 more in his limited time. Are we just going to ignore that this kid had an entire off-season, training camp and pre-season to work on his game and show signs of improvement in his second year? The same erratic and timid EJ that we saw in training camp is the same one we saw during the regular season. All you have to do is put the tape on of this kid and you'll see a serious lack of accuracy, anticipation and awareness. Perhaps those things will improve with different coaching and a new scheme on offense but I'm certainly not going to put all of my eggs in the EJ basket again. He has a lot to prove just to show that he can be a competent NFL starter much less a good one. Edited January 19, 2015 by Bangarang
Best Player Available Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Damn that EJ Manuel for being drafted a project QB and turning out to be a project QB...LOL He's not going anywhere because rookie contracts are very CHEAP. You may wish it to happen, but it won't. Although it will be fun watching the QB competition this year. I understand it is not about money. It's IMO more about someone taking a high value roster spot, namely a QB. yes, he is a project. I wish him luck. because he lacks in some skill areas.
eball Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 The stats by themselves with no other context can be twisted and turned to support different arguments. Heck even Tebow threw for 17TDs and rushed for 12 more in his limited time. Are we just going to ignore that this kid had an entire off-season, training camp and pre-season to work on his game and show signs of improvement in his second year? The same erratic and timid EJ that we saw in training camp is the same one we saw during the regular season. All you have to do is put the tape on of this kid and you'll see a serious lack of accuracy, anticipation and awareness. Perhaps those things will improve with different coaching and a new scheme on offense but I'm certainly not going to put all of my eggs in the EJ basket again. He has a lot to prove just to show that he can be a competent NFL starter much less a good one. Perhaps all of his instincts were coached out of him by an egomaniacal control freak. I'm not saying I'm right -- just that it's a possibility. Players who could go one way or the other have been ruined by poor coaching before.
Bangarang Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Perhaps all of his instincts were coached out of him by an egomaniacal control freak. I'm not saying I'm right -- just that it's a possibility. Players who could go one way or the other have been ruined by poor coaching before. It's certainly a possibility and we can't rule that out. I've said before that Marrone likely ruined EJ and his development for two years by having him try to be something he wasn't right away and getting in his head too much about taking the safe play or not trying to make plays with his feet. He's a project but did the last two years do more harm than good? I believe they did. Roman and Lee may have to break him down in order to build him back up again. EJ really needs to stop being so robotic and mechanical and just let his natural athletic ability and instincts take over. Just look at this video from 2011 and notice how fluid and natural he looks dropping back and climbing the pocket. Compare that to how stiff and robotic he looked once Marrone got his hands on him. This is a case where I think too much coaching got the worst of him. Edited January 19, 2015 by Bangarang
boyst Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Look back at week 2 of 2013. The guy has ability. The last 3 min of the game shows it.
LabattBlue Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 ...and what is Plan B if they commit to Manuel, and through the 1st quarter of the season, he ***** the bed? Just waste another year of a great defense? Coax Orton out of retirement again? Put Tuel in?
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) OMG Can I live through the next 8 months of the haters saying EJ sucks and will be cut before the season begins? Orton was no better than EJ especially when you factor in the fact that he couldn't scramble. By default EJ is the starter until they actually sign someone who clearly can outperform him in Buffalo in practice and not some fictional guessing game. Unless they sign a Drew Breese or Aaron Rogers Edited January 19, 2015 by BillsFan-4-Ever
1billsfan Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Perhaps all of his instincts were coached out of him by an egomaniacal control freak. I'm not saying I'm right -- just that it's a possibility. Players who could go one way or the other have been ruined by poor coaching before. It would be nice if they would take a wait and see approach with regards to seeing what Manuel will do under Roman considering how bad Marrone was as a coach. The Bills are bringing another QB in to compete with him and the best QB will win the starting spot in training camp. Even if Manuel starts the season on the bench it doesn't mean that the new guy will hold onto the position during the season or vise versa. I just don't get the hate, it's not like EJ's the Bills' guy and they're not bringing in anyone else to compete. They clearly are. Let's root for the best QB to win the job and take the Bills to the playoffs regardless of who it is.
Dan Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 @RossJonesFOX: Is EJ Manuel a franchise QB? Rex Ryan says #Bills will 'absolutely' explore FAs and draft picks for competition. http://t.co/LFZwDJLaGK Rex Ryan talks EJ Manuel's future, plans for Sammy Watkins and Bills' elite D We currently have one QB on the roster, plus Tuel. Does anyone expect Rex to say anything differently? of course, they're going to look at all possible avenues to bring in at least 1 or 2 more QBs. And until Rex sees who that is and how EJ plays in practice, there's no way he says who the starter is.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Marone and Hackett couldn't "hack it" and that possibility has led some people to assume that one EJ Manuel "sucks from now to eternity" . I will assume that these people are also the has been faithful. We currently have one QB on the roster, plus Tuel. Does anyone expect Rex to say anything differently? of course, they're going to look at all possible avenues to bring in at least 1 or 2 more QBs. And until Rex sees who that is and how EJ plays in practice, there's no way he says who the starter is. except by default as I just posted
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