FistingBot Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Why do people keep saying this? I live in Denver and Invesco Field or whatever the hell they're calling it these days is used for events all year round. In fact, an outdoor stadium is better for summer events. I assume the thought is to do something similar to Atlanta where the domed stadium is connected to the convention center and can be used for larger conferences that need extra space. An outdoor stadium does give you the possibility of other events like national team soccer matches. Pros and cons to each.
WotAGuy Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Maybe the NFL has stipulations that if the sun is shining the stadium has to be able to be at least half sunlit during the games. Or something like that. Why build an outdoor stadium where there is no sunlight on the field in the middle of the afternoon. How many fall/winter days does Buffalo get sun? Seems like it's cloudy during the better part of most games and the lights are often on during day games from mid-season on. The requirements for north-south orientation makes some sense, but it seems unlikely they would stipulate how much sunlight is on the field during a game.
pafan Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 You are going to see a different tailgating experience. There will still be some traditional tailgating but it will be more bars and restaurants. It will be similar to a Cleveland. I fear the days of fires in garbage cans are coming to an end. And while that experience isn't Buffalo, it isn't a bad thing. I've never gone to a Browns game but my wife and I go to quite a few Cavs games and we absolutely LOVE gameday. The area surrounding the Q is electric in the hours leading to tipoff. There are great opportunities to socialize when barhopping. The area is packed with people who aren't even going to the game (so the bars & restaurants stay busy after tipoff and well past the end of the game) and in our experience you end up talking to a more diverse crowd of people than you do at a Bills tailgate because you're just ponying up next to someone at a bar & not infringing on their personal property (or "private" party as a lot of tailgaters treat their area). I understand that going to this setup would ruin a lot of traditions, it would take a lot of adjustment for some people, and it's definitely not what most Bills fans want. In the end I think people would have just as much fun, though.
May Day 10 Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 I'll be on the back 9 of my 40s by that point. The adjustment won't be completely unwelcome
YoloinOhio Posted January 18, 2015 Author Posted January 18, 2015 I'll be on the back 9 of my 40s by that point. The adjustment won't be completely unwelcomeHaha I enjoy tailgating at downtown stadiums. It's different than the Ralph but that's ok. Good memories, but everything moves forward. The new way of tailgating is just as fun. I think if you want to experience something close to the Ralph version, tailgating on campus at a big time college game is as good as it gets.
Augie Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Haha I enjoy tailgating at downtown stadiums. It's different than the Ralph but that's ok. Good memories, but everything moves forward. The new way of tailgating is just as fun. I think if you want to experience something close to the Ralph version, tailgating on campus at a big time college game is as good as it gets. Exactly! We were tailgating before an FSU game last season and it made me think of pre-game at the Ralph. It was a blast!
PromoTheRobot Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 There are plenty of spaces around the First Ward where traditional tailgating can continue.
Woody Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 the OP plan pretty much puts the new stadium on top of Sheldon cemetery I think you could still do it. You'd have to respectfully remove the current remains and, in a dignified manner, relocate them to a new location. You could even use the same cemetery we bury the Patriots, Jets, and Dolphins in next season!
Dan Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Move the stadium out of OP! Pegula pays for restoration/IndianNative American memorial/dedication park type thing. Have Flutie with golden shovel at new stadium ground breaking ceremony. Curse is lifted. Build architectural rockpile landscape feature thingy at entrance to new stadium. Championship!
gordong Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) You build a stadium downtown and tailgating comes to an end quickly, there is no tailgating in parking ramps. There simply is not enough room for the kind of parking that the Ralph has anywhere downtown. take the size of the parking at the raplh and try to fit it anywhere downtown. You would have to go to NF, or towards Rochester. Can you imagine trying to get to a Stadium in NF, going over those bridges....no thanks. Somewhere east of the city makes the most sense or keep in in OP. Edited January 18, 2015 by gordong
beerme1 Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Regarding the Perry Projects, plans are apparently underway. No matter your political affiliation, it's been proven that 1950's-1960's projects need to be torn down & rebuilt with different housing options. Interesting. Even more interesting that I and most others hadn't heard a word about this previously. I'm also guessing since this is 2015 those plans got derailed somewhere. Thanks for the link!! It's nice to be able to have the discussion without the relocation cloud Agreed. The stupid editor at the Buffalo News didn't get the memo though. In the editorial today "The pressure is on" "without one the pressure will be back on to move the team" http://www.buffalonews.com/opinion/buffalo-news-editorials/look-downtown-new-stadium-for-bills-should-draw-on-and-enhance-the-renaissance-of-buffalo-20150118 What has failed (however you suggest we measure failure) in Buffalo probably won't fail in NYC because NYC isn't a dead and dying deindustrialized city with excessive population decline, economic contraction, and continually growing rates of poverty and segregation. Talkin proud talkin proud. Buffalo is on the rebound lol I think.
PastaJoe Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 The discussion about a downtown stadium should include a plan to build a convention center; where and how to pay for.
Ted William's frozen head Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Watch and see it will end up like the Minnesota Vikings Dome. No tailgating, hugely expensive parking and long walks to get the stadium. Exactly.
maddenboy Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Underground Parking. I've mentioned it a couple times in various threads. Why not just dig an 8-15 story underground parking structure? Doesnt solve the Tailgaiting issue, but would make parking a non-issue. Ingress and Egress might be a B word, so make multiple exits, with multi-lane paving.
Mr. WEO Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Underground Parking. I've mentioned it a couple times in various threads. Why not just dig an 8-15 story underground parking structure? Doesnt solve the Tailgaiting issue, but would make parking a non-issue. Ingress and Egress might be a B word, so make multiple exits, with multi-lane paving. A 15 story underground garage?? That would take days to get out of...
John in Jax Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 You build a stadium downtown and tailgating comes to an end quickly, there is no tailgating in parking ramps. There simply is not enough room for the kind of parking that the Ralph has anywhere downtown. take the size of the parking at the raplh and try to fit it anywhere downtown. You would have to go to NF, or towards Rochester. Can you imagine trying to get to a Stadium in NF, going over those bridges....no thanks. Somewhere east of the city makes the most sense or keep in in OP. I don't get up to WNY very often for Bills home games, but your points above seem very astute. I'm sorta surprised at all the support in this thread...and on the board generally....for moving the stadium to a cramped place, and effectively eliminating the unique Buffalo tailgating experience.
Augie Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 A 15 story underground garage?? That would take days to get out of... By the time you got out it would be time to come back. Just move in when you have back to back home games.
Augie Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 I'm sorta surprised at all the support in this thread...and on the board generally....for moving the stadium to a cramped place, and effectively eliminating the unique Buffalo tailgating experience. Tailgaiting won't be eliminated, but it will be very different. There are advantages to being in the middle of nowhere with vast open and flat parking lots. There are also advantages to having a current stadium that allows you to remain economically viable so you can stay in WNY. THAT is the driving factor here, I believe. I get back rarely, but I loved the tailgaiting. I can learn to love a nice, new stadium with bars and restaurants nearby as well as some more limited tailgaiting areas. It's going to happen, so there's no point in me me whining about it. I'll just be sure to get back to the Ralph a few times in the remaining seasons it will be in use. For me, a stadium within walking distance of bars, restaurants and my comfy hotel room is a perfect situation. But that's just me as a current out-of-towner.
PromoTheRobot Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 You build a stadium downtown and tailgating comes to an end quickly, there is no tailgating in parking ramps. There simply is not enough room for the kind of parking that the Ralph has anywhere downtown. take the size of the parking at the raplh and try to fit it anywhere downtown. You would have to go to NF, or towards Rochester. Can you imagine trying to get to a Stadium in NF, going over those bridges....no thanks. Somewhere east of the city makes the most sense or keep in in OP. There's plenty of space in the First Ward and Larkenville. Don't be so dramatic. Underground Parking. I've mentioned it a couple times in various threads. Why not just dig an 8-15 story underground parking structure? Doesnt solve the Tailgaiting issue, but would make parking a non-issue. Ingress and Egress might be a B word, so make multiple exits, with multi-lane paving. Security concerns would prohibit underground parking.
agardin Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 I am against an enclosed stadium but then again I dont live or pay taxes in Buffalo. I am torn, I do love the open field tailgating atmosphere the Ralph has but a downtown stadium would have its advantages. Sometimes I get a hotel room downtown so a stroll to the game would be awesome. I would imagine downtown bars and restaurants would be livelier after the game as well.
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