DJasper Probincrux III Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Some thoughts. There is plenty of surface parking within the same radius that people currently walk. The last lot at ecc is far and people already do that. Tailgating will look different but it will be fine. Access will be no better or worse than rws. Rws only has a couple main ways in and out. At some point youre on abbott southwestern big tree or milestrip already. The perry projects are gone regardless of what they choose. Iirc they are largely vacant already, the Ohio street site will require infrastructure that will run right through there. Plus if youre looking for private development you dont drop 750m right next to public housing. If only because its a massive piece of undevelopable property right in the middle of everything. A convention center will be folded into the project, if they choose cobblestone it could span south park ave and connect directly to the fnc, and thus harbor ctr as well. Philadelphia convention ctr does this to cut across the city witbout cutting off the grid like the current convention ctr does. I dont mean a walkway either, convention space spans several streets. They could then demo the current ctr and restore the grid to reopen that side of downtown
MarkAF43 Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 I'm not sure I follow the logic that the main reason to oppose a downtown stadium is the impact on tailgating. I'm a season ticket holder so I understand how it is at the Ralph now. But this can't be the main reason we wouldn't use a downtown stadium. The whole idea of a stadium downtown isn't just for the Buffalo Bills. It's for the continuing development of the city of Buffalo. It's for making the city a better place with more to do and see. As much as I love the Ralph for all that it is, I'm not at all opposed to a stadium in the proposed sites.
DJasper Probincrux III Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Also, no matter what, Miami st needs to be renamed immediately.
Beerball Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Interesting. The NFL insists that stadiums are built north and south, so sunlight doesn't effect the games, like getting in players eyes. The Cobblestone one, IIRC, looked to be east and west, that's why it would have to be a dome. http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/10369/NFL-Stadiums-have-to-be-built-North-to-South Thank you.
gordong Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 There's plenty of space in the First Ward and Larkenville. Don't be so dramatic. We'll agree to disagree that the great thing about an opinion.
FLFan Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Throwing more money into Orchard Park is just good money after bad at this point. Not a realistic option. I'm not sure I follow the logic that the main reason to oppose a downtown stadium is the impact on tailgating. I'm a season ticket holder so I understand how it is at the Ralph now. But this can't be the main reason we wouldn't use a downtown stadium. The whole idea of a stadium downtown isn't just for the Buffalo Bills. It's for the continuing development of the city of Buffalo. It's for making the city a better place with more to do and see. As much as I love the Ralph for all that it is, I'm not at all opposed to a stadium in the proposed sites. Agreed. As great an environment for the fans that The Ralph has proved to be, locating the stadium there ranks as one of the two worst development decision of all time in Buffalo. The other being the Amherst location of the new ÜB campus. The same mistake can simply not be made again. That money needs to be invested in Buffalo, for the long term economic health of the region as a whole.
Hammered a Lot Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Well I read the 141 page study. One very important issue not reported was the crime factor. My buddy Rick and I went to a Bills vs Colts game walked around a corner and saw a guy being robbed at gun point. Point being there was a study done concerning safety around stadiums. The neighborhood around the Ralph is rated second safest. Parking is cheap around the Ralph. Buffalo lots can charge upto $60 per car and with the lots controlled by a few what do you think you will pay to park? Orchard Park Chief of Police said since one way exit traffic started on Big Tree Road traffic clears out 40 minutes faster. I been downtown after FNC events (19,000) people) One hour stuck in the crawling traffic, 60,000 people ...... Gov Cuomo said during his election campaign no state money to be used for a new stadium, renovations money ???, in the end it's the Pegulas decision how much they want to spend.
pimp 2 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 New Orleans is not sterile. Thank you!!! Neither is St. Louis, Indy or Atlanta! Having a roof allows for year round use of the facility from an economic standpoint. Plus it may have a positive impact on potential free agents NOT thrilled about playing in adverse conditions that may affect their performance goals...some legit, some NOT but it is what it is! Cobblestone site is #1 IMO, it offers the easy access for those using the rail line, amtrax (adaptable) and tailgating (once parking structures are built + using existing available parking). Just imagine when Pegulaville & Canalside is truly up & running, that area would be rocking for when tourists come to town for any venue...small business owners can really capitalize & grow. Time for this region to step up, IMO. We've survived some of the most idiotic planning in the past (too many to list), the reason for our 2nd rate complex that we experience currently !!! Let's do the right thing !!! Go Bills & Let's Go Buff-alo!
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Because you're limiting usage opportunties. For the most bang for the buck, you want to bring in revenue producers more than 8-10 times a year like the Ralph.Hmmm I wondering if there is anything else you can do with a stadium that has an outdoor field....I guess no combine.
PromoTheRobot Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Hmmm I wondering if there is anything else you can do with a stadium that has an outdoor field.... I guess no combine. Knowing the Pegulas I could see them bidding for the NFL Combine. They already pried the NHL Combine away from Toronto with Harborcenter.
BRAWNDO Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Another way to protect tailgating might be to use the Buffalo Belt Line, a RR Line which runs around the city. Satellite Parking Lots with attached stations could be used for tailgating and then fans could be transported via rail cars to the stadium. The lots could have to be enclosed with security patrols for safety purposes. http://buffalorising.com/2012/12/the-buffalo-belt-line/
Haven Moses Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 I'm sure some smart investor will buy a lot and create a place for tailgating. Geez.
LabattBlue Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) I think the cobblestone site is best in that you will have a contiguous cluster/core of attractions(FNC, RWS, Canalside including Children's Museum and whatever else is planned for the old Aud site, HarborCenter, Courtyard by Marriott, Naval Park, Casino), which you can then build out from there as needed. I think this is a much better option than the Exchange or South Park options which puts RWS a greater distance from previous mentioned "core". Edited January 19, 2015 by LabattBlue
eball Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Is there really any belief they'll eventually do anything other than the Cobblestone site? It makes too much sense.
May Day 10 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 the Pegulas put out a statement that basically said "thanks but we got this"... making this study a waste of time and money
eball Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 the Pegulas put out a statement that basically said "thanks but we got this"... making this study a waste of time and money LOL I got that too...Kim basically saying "we haven't had a chance to read the study" as a nice way of letting everyone know they aren't concerned.
LabattBlue Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 LOL I got that too...Kim basically saying "we haven't had a chance to read the study" as a nice way of letting everyone know they aren't concerned. Don't underestimate the political clowns at the city, county and state level to either !@#$ this up, or at the very least bring it to a crawl until they get their chance to be in front of the cameras
Optometric Insight Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 I personally would love to see something like what they've done in Pittsburgh, they have the some of the most beautiful stadiums with great lookouts there for their baseball and football teams, the atmosphere was electric before the Pirates game (the few times I've been downtown, it's been pretty dead and quiet, other than when it was the Taste of Buffalo) and I just liked how they have Heinz Field and PNC Park close to each other. Over all it was very aesthetically pleasing. I would prefer a stadium because they look better, especially in a city, but I doubt they build one, it's just way more practical to build a dome and there are lots of cool things you could do inside of it. But, in the end, just build something that isn't a gigantic eyesore for the city.
bbb Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 PNC Park is heaven on earth. I wish we could emulate that somehow.
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