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I've been saying this for months. Out of the pocket EJ's skill set is no better than an average back up. What sets him apart is his size, speed, and strength. So if he's your QB those are talents you want to utilize.

Using him as a drop back pocket passer makes about as much sense as drafting a bunch of big, slow maulers for a zone blocking scheme.

Do you mean "EJs in the pocket skill set is no better than an average backup"? It seems you are trying to say that where EJ can be successful is by moving around and getting outside the pocket....

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IF Maroon hadn't thrown a rookie head first into that fast paced hurry up offense (then scrapped it) the results may have been better

 

OR he got injured is retaliation for the Bills taking out their QB.

What?

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To me, this means he wants to find out if EJ has heart. If he's willing to play balls out and take a hit to make a big play. If he's willing to play through injury if he gets dinged, or if he will sit out after every boo-boo. Fair questions considering EJ's injury history and lack of tuck-and-run for critical 1st downs. EJ better be prepared to show he's tough enough to take a licking and keep on ticking, or he'll be out of here.

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IF Maroon hadn't thrown a rookie head first into that fast paced hurry up offense (then scrapped it) the results may have been better

OR he got injured is retaliation for the Bills taking out their QB.

I think of all the football I have watched, the normal thing to see that close to the sideline is an upper body shot that forces the runner to step out. I do not think shots below the waist are all common. EJ saw him late and lowered his shoulder but was not anticipating a thigh high blow. The gloating afterwards made it a near certainty that the defender was retaliating for Kiko's legal hit that destroyed the late sliding Hoyer.

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I think of all the football I have watched, the normal thing to see that close to the sideline is an upper body shot that forces the runner to step out. I do not think shots below the waist are all common. EJ saw him late and lowered his shoulder but was not anticipating a thigh high blow. The gloating afterwards made it a near certainty that the defender was retaliating for Kiko's legal hit that destroyed the late sliding Hoyer.

yes, the point being 1st down or not he was after EJ's knees

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Two nice plays from last year. One subtle and the other rather spectacular but both using his mobility:

 

TD to Williams vs. Texans

 

http://www.buffalobills.com/video/videos/EJ-Manuel-80-yard-TD-pass-to-Mike-Williams/4a79965c-80bc-4a56-8a61-85bcf68d745d

 

 

Pass to Chandler vs. Chargers @ 1:00 minute in:

 

http://www.buffalobills.com/video/videos/Week-3-Buffalo-Bills-vs-San-Diego-Chargers-highlights/291b6f5b-d9ae-4a5f-9604-ac952dafd5d4

 

Rex is right to think that this type of usage of time and space can be very valuable to an offense.

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And about 9:08 after that play, Marrone pretty much benched Mike Williams for the rest of the season.

Yep Mike really ruined St Dougs day

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I remember seeing some read option plays where EJ handed the ball off but if he had kept the ball and run himself, he had a lot of room to take off. Meanwhile the poor RB ran right into a wall of defenders. Gotta agree with Rex on that one.

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I remember seeing some read option plays where EJ handed the ball off but if he had kept the ball and run himself, he had a lot of room to take off. Meanwhile the poor RB ran right into a wall of defenders. Gotta agree with Rex on that one.

EJ has some massive question marks, no doubt. But he's very good on play fakes and play action already. Always was.

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I remember seeing some read option plays where EJ handed the ball off but if he had kept the ball and run himself, he had a lot of room to take off. Meanwhile the poor RB ran right into a wall of defenders. Gotta agree with Rex on that one.

 

Some? Each and every time.

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Two nice plays from last year. One subtle and the other rather spectacular but both using his mobility:

 

TD to Williams vs. Texans

 

http://www.buffalobills.com/video/videos/EJ-Manuel-80-yard-TD-pass-to-Mike-Williams/4a79965c-80bc-4a56-8a61-85bcf68d745d

 

 

Pass to Chandler vs. Chargers @ 1:00 minute in:

 

http://www.buffalobills.com/video/videos/Week-3-Buffalo-Bills-vs-San-Diego-Chargers-highlights/291b6f5b-d9ae-4a5f-9604-ac952dafd5d4

 

Rex is right to think that this type of usage of time and space can be very valuable to an offense.

 

Those are the kinds of flashes that EJ has shown that leave me with some hope left for him. Those are more than just size/speed/arm strength plays - they're instinctual and skilled.

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I remember seeing some read option plays where EJ handed the ball off but if he had kept the ball and run himself, he had a lot of room to take off. Meanwhile the poor RB ran right into a wall of defenders. Gotta agree with Rex on that one.

Did he take it more than once or twice? I'm convinced coaching made it so there was no actual option

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I remember seeing some read option plays where EJ handed the ball off but if he had kept the ball and run himself, he had a lot of room to take off. Meanwhile the poor RB ran right into a wall of defenders. Gotta agree with Rex on that one.

 

Yeah, almost constantly. Could be very frustrating. Hard to say whether Manuel is bad at making those reads or whether he was being coached to hand it off unless the other side of the field was wide open or something. I would guess mostly the former.

 

That's one thing Russell Wilson doesn't always get credit for - he's GREAT at correctly making the read of whether to keep or hand off on the read option. If your QB makes that read correctly, he can keep it 5 times a game and probably get hit no more than once. Especially if he's ready & willing to slide once he's gotten 5-6 yards.

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