ExiledInIllinois Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Black cop and a bean bag gun, 95 year old white, knife wielding WWII vet... Incident happened 2 summers ago: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-wrana-beanbag-shooting-trial-met-20150111-story.html http://chicago.suntimes.com/news-chicago/7/71/288920/prosecutors-say-suburban-cop-overreacted-subduing-95-year-old-war-vet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 That cop should have gotten a few years just for showing up in court dressed that way. I've seen better looking ties on the railroad tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) That cop should have gotten a few years just for showing up in court dressed that way. I've seen better looking ties on the railroad tracks.So now you are anti-cop. Pro-knife wielding 95 year old vet? Even when the cop is following a direct order from his commander? Sorry, his commander doesn't pick out his tie. Once again, your knack @ stupidty and ability to add nothing to the discussion is amazing. This is one village over from where I live and was pretty big news 18 months ago... Well @ least here it was. What's your serious take on it? Did he use too much force by following out an order against a 95 year old knife wielding WWII vet? Pro cop, just following an order cop or excessive force cop? Disarm him without an on the job injury? Kind of an odd story. What happens if the black cop disobeys the order? I guess he is looking @ a reprimand? Firing? Etc... Edited January 15, 2015 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 What does the fact that he was a WWII vet have to do with it? We're supposed to have more sympathy because he served In WWII? Sounds like the old man killed himself. Wrana died about five hours later after refusing surgery to stanch the internal bleeding that resulted after he was struck in the abdomen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 (edited) What does the fact that he was a WWII vet have to do with it? We're supposed to have more sympathy because he served In WWII? Sounds like the old man killed himself. Agree. Yet, he may have had some kind of wishes/medical orders in effect? No. Not @ all. I am actually pro-cop in this situation. I don't think the cop should do any time. Why is this cop even on trial? If anything, he was following an order. What the hell is a bean bag gun anyway. How did they handle crazy old coots wielding 7" knives in the old days... And don't say it never happened. Edited January 15, 2015 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 What kind of comparison are you trying to draw here? I hope not that the definition of excessive force doesn't change between a 90 year old guy and a 20 - 40 year old one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 What kind of comparison are you trying to draw here? I hope not that the definition of excessive force doesn't change between a 90 year old guy and a 20 - 40 year old one. Hell no. I do suppose a 20 year can take a bean bag fired out of a weapon a little more than a 90 year old. I just want to get a pulse on where people stand on this case? Should the cop be found liable? Do criminal time? He's staring @ 3 years. How else were they going to disarm him without cracking some bones? Or should they have just let him cool off? But that takes time and we got things to do and places to be! It is a bench trial though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 What does the fact that he was a WWII vet have to do with it? We're supposed to have more sympathy because he served In WWII? Yep. Greatest generation and all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Hell no. I do suppose a 20 year can take a bean bag fired out of a weapon a little more than a 90 year old. I just want to get a pulse on where people stand on this case? Should the cop be found liable? Do criminal time? He's staring @ 3 years. How else were they going to disarm him without cracking some bones? Or should they have just let him cool off? But that takes time and we got things to do and places to be! It is a bench trial though... Well your topic title seem to insinuate this should be compared to other recent cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Yep. Greatest generation and all... And being just that, I would hope in his younger days that he would have abhorred the adulation and hero worship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Yep. Greatest generation and all... http://www.wcpo.com/news/region-northern-kentucky/man-shot-in-chest-in-crittenden This guy was basically Clint Eastwood. "I've been robbed so much in the past five weeks, I said it's going to have to be a message to the people. The only way you going to stop this is you [going to] have to leave one laying in the grass. That's the only way you're [going to] stop it," Jones said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Well your topic title seem to insinuate this should be compared to other recent cases. Hell no to the comparison of excessive force but hell yes to the comparison of why some cops have to stand trial even when they were following out a direct order from their superior. Would he have stood trial had this happened post-Ferguson/NYC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Only following orders... where have I heard that before. Just exactly when does common sense get abandoned and it takes five guys to subdue a 95 year old man by shooting him five times with a shotgun? Did they offer him a stick of Juicy Fruit gum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Only following orders... where have I heard that before. Just exactly when does common sense get abandoned and it takes five guys to subdue a 95 year old man by shooting him five times with a shotgun? Did they offer him a stick of Juicy Fruit gum? 95 year old swinging a 7" butcher knife threatening to kill. I don't think he was naked? So you are anti-cop too now? So you think the cop deserves to do time too? Funny how things change. And if the cop doesn't follow the orders and somebody gets stuck? Not saying it couldn't have been done better, but really, where's all the cop lovers looking out for their safety doing a tough job? Now their second guessing procedure. I wonder why? I guess they know how to take down a person swinging a knife even if they are a 95 year old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 So now you are anti-cop. Pro-knife wielding 95 year old vet? Even when the cop is following a direct order from his commander? Sorry, his commander doesn't pick out his tie. Once again, your knack @ stupidty and ability to add nothing to the discussion is amazing. This is one village over from where I live and was pretty big news 18 months ago... Well @ least here it was. What's your serious take on it? Did he use too much force by following out an order against a 95 year old knife wielding WWII vet? Pro cop, just following an order cop or excessive force cop? Disarm him without an on the job injury? Kind of an odd story. What happens if the black cop disobeys the order? I guess he is looking @ a reprimand? Firing? Etc... This was obviously a black on white hate crime and the perp should get at least 5 years for being an idiot. Tack on another 3 years for the tie alone and make him repeat "hands up, don't shoot" every day and justice might be served. BTW, when calling someone stupid you would have a lot more credence if you spelled the word correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 95 year old swinging a 7" butcher knife threatening to kill. I don't think he was naked? So you are anti-cop too now? So you think the cop deserves to do time too? Funny how things change. And if the cop doesn't follow the orders and somebody gets stuck? Not saying it couldn't have been done better, but really, where's all the cop lovers looking out for their safety doing a tough job? Now their second guessing procedure. I wonder why? I guess they know how to take down a person swinging a knife even if they are a 95 year old. Have you ever had a coherent thought? Your last paragraph is classic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 This was obviously a black on white hate crime and the perp should get at least 5 years for being an idiot. Tack on another 3 years for the tie alone and make him repeat "hands up, don't shoot" every day and justice might be served. BTW, when calling someone stupid you would have a lot more credence if you spelled the word correctly. Spelling police... Last resort for the ones who add nothing. You are such a racist scumbag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 15, 2015 Author Share Posted January 15, 2015 Have you ever had a coherent thought? Your last paragraph is classic. Classic yes. So you think the office used excessive force and is guilty. Should do time because of his bad tie combo. The only that is incoherent are your screwed up beliefs. Again, you come to a thread and add nothing of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Well your topic title seem to insinuate this should be compared to other recent cases. Welcome to Riddler logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Classic yes. So you think the office used excessive force and is guilty. Should do time because of his bad tie combo. The only that is incoherent are your screwed up beliefs. Again, you come to a thread and add nothing of value. Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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