BobbyC81 Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Pro days are so stupid IMO. Bridgewater's was horrible. Manziel's was amazing. They don't mean much because they are so controlled by the player. So is the Combine to some extent. Why have offensive linemen running the 40? The Combine would tell you that Chris Borland is too short, too slow and his arms are too short to be the prototype MLB. Your eyes tell you he just makes plays and that's what he did in his rookie year with the Niners. He should turn out to be a steal in the 3rd round. Compare that to our illiustrious Aaron Maybin who had a lot of eyepopping numbers but was a good example of "Look like Tarzan, play like Jane."
Kirby Jackson Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Good option for TE or wildcat The fact that you don't like him as a prospect is a huge check in his favor. You are my guy BB, but QB is not your area of expertise. You definitely aren't that familiar with Cardale if you don't like his physical tools. They are ELITE. Whether or not he can translate to the pro game - who knows. You just can't teach somebody to be 6'5" and 250 lbs. He is a great athlete with a cannon and has been extremely productive (albeit in limited action). He just destroyed 3 of the top 13 teams in the nation. Someone is going to fall in love with his potential and he will be off the board in the 1st 2 rounds. If he played an entire season like this he would be in the conversation for the top overall pick. There are certainly questions but talent isn't one of them.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 So Jones is ready for the NFL after three games and Manuel is a bust after fourteen, got it. Even I would go with Manuel on this one The fact that you don't like him as a prospect is a huge check in his favor. You are my guy BB, but QB is not your area of expertise. You definitely aren't that familiar with Cardale if you don't like his physical tools. They are ELITE. Whether or not he can translate to the pro game - who knows. You just can't teach somebody to be 6'5" and 250 lbs. He is a great athlete with a cannon and has been extremely productive (albeit in limited action). He just destroyed 3 of the top 13 teams in the nation. Someone is going to fall in love with his potential and he will be off the board in the 1st 2 rounds. If he played an entire season like this he would be in the conversation for the top overall pick. There are certainly questions but talent isn't one of them. C'mon man I know my QBs no ones perfect but I have found my fair share of QBs, Luck, Kaepernick, Tannehill and Bortles who the last 3 know one knew about. This board actually helps me get better at it bc getting flamed for a bust sux. Obviously he has the physical tools but 3 games? lets get serious. Like I said spread QBs aren't making it in the NFL not because of talent but because they can't read defenses.
Kirby Jackson Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Even I would go with Manuel on this one C'mon man I know my QBs no ones perfect but I have found my fair share of QBs, Luck, Kaepernick, Tannehill and Bortles who the last 3 know one knew about. This board actually helps me get better at it bc getting flamed for a bust sux. Obviously he has the physical tools but 3 games? lets get serious. Like I said spread QBs aren't making it in the NFL not because of talent but because they can't read defenses. Ha ha, you are still claiming Bortles?? I think that he stinks but we will see. Time will tell I suppose. How many games is an acceptable number? Is 3 games against top 13 opponents better than a season in the Sunbelt or MAC? It's an honest question. When have we seen enough to form an opinion? For me, much like my impression of EJ, I formed my opinion when I saw all that I needed to see. Obviously, as a Buckeye fan I have been familiar with the guy for a while. I wanted to see if his skillset could translate in game situations. I saw his physical skills translate against some of the best teams in the country. Besides for only playing 3 games what don't people like about him? With that being said I don't think that he is a good fit for the Bills. They are not in a position to develop another QB. They are ready to win now. They need a veteran that has been able to play in the league now (even if he isn't perfect). Jones is a guy that should sit for a couple of years behind someone like Brees or Palmer (he'd be a good fit in Arians offense). Edited January 13, 2015 by Kirby Jackson
peterpan Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 he seemed to read those defenses well. He went deep when he could. He threw to single coverage and gave his WRs a chance. And a coach sitting down with the kid in the film room would be able to get o the bottom of that question in an hour or so. I was more impressed with Him than Mariotta and people want him as the #1 overal pick
K8prisoner Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 It's spelled rapist burger .. Even I know that one He will probably get the Viagra commercial since he's not getting anything else Cardarale seems to have pro tools that will probably be ruined if he gets millions to sit on a bench Now let's Queue the real question.. I'll be hated for bringing it up since it's stereotypical and racist and won't ever be honestly discussed after jimmy the Greek but everyone has an opinion Yes it's all socioeconomic not genetic but.. If you had a thousand dollars and absolutely had bet it .. Either on a black quarterback or a white one to succeed and win ( Russell is both so leave out the Derek jeter progeny and btw if we had warren moon we might still have games to watch and that has nothing to do with my answer ) and why .. I wish we could suspend screen names to protect the innocent. I bet I will get ignored.. If cardarale was white he would go first round
Beef Jerky Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) college kids rarely impress me.This kid however did impress me.He is the real deal. Actually statistically he wouldn't be the real deal. Just another flash in the pan. Edited January 13, 2015 by Beef Jerky
peterpan Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Ha ha, you are still claiming Bortles?? I think that he stinks but we will see. Time will tell I suppose. How many games is an acceptable number? Is 3 games against top 13 opponents better than a season in the Sunbelt or MAC? It's an honest question. When have we seen enough to form an opinion? For me, much like my impression of EJ, I formed my opinion when I saw all that I needed to see. Obviously, as a Buckeye fan I have been familiar with the guy for a while. I wanted to see if his skillset could translate in game situations. I saw his physical skills translate against some of the best teams in the country. Besides for only playing 3 games what don't people like about him? Exactly. I have seen enough of what I needed to see of EJ. EJ never played near this level in 4 years. And yes, other than 3 starts, I dont see many things not to like.
Beef Jerky Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 He looks good in college with a rushing attack that has 200+ yards a game... Problem is you can't play in college forever and he won't be an NFL star.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Ha ha, you are still claiming Bortles?? I think that he stinks but we will see. Time will tell I suppose. How many games is an acceptable number? Is 3 games against top 13 opponents better than a season in the Sunbelt or MAC? It's an honest question. When have we seen enough to form an opinion? For me, much like my impression of EJ, I formed my opinion when I saw all that I needed to see. Obviously, as a Buckeye fan I have been familiar with the guy for a while. I wanted to see if his skillset could translate in game situations. I saw his physical skills translate against some of the best teams in the country. Besides for only playing 3 games what don't people like about him? With that being said I don't think that he is a good fit for the Bills. They are not in a position to develop another QB. They are ready to win now. They need a veteran that has been able to play in the league now (even if he isn't perfect). Jones is a guy that should sit for a couple of years behind someone like Brees or Palmer (he'd be a good fit in Arians offense). Bortles is the man if we had him theses QB threads wouldn't be here. At least two years, you can have a few good games and look awesome but over time a QB could regress or get better but who knows. I Wouldn't want to roll the dice unless it's like 6th or 7th round. It's spelled rapist burger .. Even I know that one I heard that was the number one burger in Jerrome's bar.
4BillsintheBurgh Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 He would replace Tuel on our roster. Do we want to spend a 2nd or even a third rounder on that potential? We really need a franchise qb, but it doesn't look like he'll be ready for a while if ever. I think he needs to come out. It's a tough situation because obviously Meyer didn't believe in him and I would have to think Meyer would not give a glowing recommendation to the NFL for him. I don't see how Meyer could guarantee him the starting position for any period of time next year. I really wish the NCAA would allow these guys to transfer with no consequences when a head coach changes because this kid could use the time on the field for someone that values his skill set. I think the school can let them out of it and I don't know the back story here, but the rules seem to protect the institution instead of the non-paid player. He can always go back and get his degree if he wants to.
YoloinOhio Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) He would replace Tuel on our roster. Do we want to spend a 2nd or even a third rounder on that potential? We really need a franchise qb, but it doesn't look like he'll be ready for a while if ever. I think he needs to come out. It's a tough situation because obviously Meyer didn't believe in him and I would have to think Meyer would not give a glowing recommendation to the NFL for him. I don't see how Meyer could guarantee him the starting position for any period of time next year. I really wish the NCAA would allow these guys to transfer with no consequences when a head coach changes because this kid could use the time on the field for someone that values his skill set. I think the school can let them out of it and I don't know the back story here, but the rules seem to protect the institution instead of the non-paid player. He can always go back and get his degree if he wants to. Urban didn't "not believe in him." Read my posts above on why he was "3rd string." He was recruited for a different system, came in when Braxton was here, etc. Backups at OSU (and most top programs) are big time recruits who are just biding their time to get on the field. They will have 6 QBs on the roster next year if they all come back. All could probably start somewhere. Edited January 13, 2015 by YoloinOhio
K8prisoner Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 So true about transferring except the Alabamas would poach any qb or running back Kentucky has etc It is tragic about clarett not being able to come out.. This kid is prob like him and needs a champion on an nfl club to keep him in shape and learning while he matures .
Nanker Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 What an embarrassment of riches OSU has at QB.
Solomon Grundy Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 Even I would go with Manuel on this one C'mon man I know my QBs no ones perfect but I have found my fair share of QBs, Luck, Kaepernick, Tannehill and Bortles who the last 3 know one knew about. This board actually helps me get better at it bc getting flamed for a bust sux. Obviously he has the physical tools but 3 games? lets get serious. Like I said spread QBs aren't making it in the NFL not because of talent but because they can't read defenses. Before the season, many thought Tannehill was a BUST!
YoloinOhio Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 @BuckyBrooks: ICYMI: How will NFL scouts view the playoff play of #Buckeyes Ezekiel Elliott & Cardale Jones? http://t.co/mzF0QxLHSYhttp://t.co/lOTA79MJzD
Maguire's Beer Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 I'd like to see him come out, if only to increase the chance that Garrett Grayson is there when we draft in the 2nd.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 That's actually a pretty good point. If there is a QB starved team ahead of us willing to pull the trigger on Jones (if he enters), that may leave someone we want to be available later in the draft.
YoloinOhio Posted January 14, 2015 Posted January 14, 2015 I don't believe he will declare, but if he does I could see Arians taking him in the 1st 3 rounds. He would love to work with that kind of player and they probably have Palmer in the short term He took a chance on Logan Thomas last year and he's as much of a project as it gets at the nfl level.
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