Dante Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Watch Scott Walker rise. The nutsuckers like gatorman will be so busy copy/pasting union talking points their eyeballs will bleed, because few people stuck it to the unions like Walker has, and one way to win America is to show everyone what unions are really all about...taking money from the nutsuckers to advance causes the nutsuckers don't even care about. What I like about Walker is he seems to be a principled guy with a backbone obviously. He is less likely to be corrupted by the establishment and not as easily intimidated the left wing propaganda machine. I like guys like Cruz as well but I read somewhere a while ago that his wife is high up in a major bank which scares me a bit. I may be full of crap on this I have to look again. Anyway, I like Walker. And if not prez how about speaker of the house? Can you imagine how things might have been different with him there the last few years instead of the Obama co conspirator Boehner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/01/mitt-romney-koch-brothers-donor-network The Koch Brothers don't invite Mitt to their fundraiser because he's not running for president, and somehow this is a Mother Jones article? You'd think they'd do something more positive, like how middle class wages have jumped so high over the past six years. Or how minorities have a higher employment rate over the past six years. Oh, wait. Nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) It's good news for the GOP Mitt isn't running. Sad thing is Jeb will almost certainly get the nod and will be substantially similar although a bit better. It'll be Jeb in a coin flip with Hillary depending on how the next 2 years go and how the campaigns are run. Given the next 2 years are likely to be Obama's best and the Clinton machine is superior to the Bush machine at this point...odds are high we all know who is president after Obama. If the GOP could somehow run one of the younger or more exciting/non-Washington candidates they could potentially change the dynamic. Sad truth is, having a vastly superior political bench won't mean a thing when it's Bush v. Clinton. Bush would probably be a good president though. Edited January 31, 2015 by Rex'sOffense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Bush v, Clinton? !@#$ !@#$ !@#$iti!@#$ !@#$ !@#$. The BVI are looking more and more attractive every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Bush v, Clinton? !@#$ !@#$ !@#$iti!@#$ !@#$ !@#$. The BVI are looking more and more attractive every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Bush v, Clinton? !@#$ !@#$ !@#$iti!@#$ !@#$ !@#$. The BVI are looking more and more attractive every day. Hopefully Republicans are smart enough to choose someone other than Bush in the primaries. I think we can count on Dems to be dumb enough to nominate Clinton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Bush/Kasich Bush/Portman Rubio/Kasich Kasich/Rubio One of the above combinations will be the 2016 Republican ticket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Rubio/Kasich could be good. The young one has a bright future, but he needs someone like Kasich with gubernatorial experience to counter Hillary/Cuomo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Rubio/Kasich could be good. The young one has a bright future, but he needs someone like Kasich with gubernatorial experience to counter Hillary/Cuomo. Only if Kasich leads the ticket. That dude would be a great candidate in a general election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Bush/Kasich Bush/Portman Rubio/Kasich Kasich/Rubio One of the above combinations will be the 2016 Republican ticket None of those tickets are sufficiently libertarian. I'll likely vote liberal Democrat again, and encourage every other libertarian I know to do the same, unless or until the Republican Party gives me someone I can pull the lever for without holding my nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 None of those tickets are sufficiently libertarian. I'll likely vote liberal Democrat again, and encourage every other libertarian I know to do the same, unless or until the Republican Party gives me someone I can pull the lever for without holding my nose. Is there anyone in public office right now at the national level that is sufficiently libertarian? Someone like that would be my ideal candidate, but until there's one for me to vote for, I will continue to vote against the most socialist/statist candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Is there anyone in public office right now at the national level that is sufficiently libertarian? Someone like that would be my ideal candidate, but until there's one for me to vote for, I will continue to vote against the most socialist/statist candidate.Fortunately the larger sentiment amongst libertarians has been either to stay home, write in or vote third party, or to vote D. The only way to get a libertarian leaning candidate is to hold Repiblicans hostage until they advance one, forcing a party shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Fortunately the larger sentiment amongst libertarians has been either to stay home, write in or vote third party, or to vote D. The only way to get a libertarian leaning candidate is to hold Repiblicans hostage until they advance one, forcing a party shift. Voting for a 3rd party or Libertarian candidate makes sense to me, because Republicans will continue to see a growing support among the people for those ideals, and will start to adopt those ideals as part of their own platform, as evidenced by the various TEA party movements and their effect on the right. On the other hand, a protest vote for a Democrat only shores up the leftist/statist movement, causing the more 'moderate/mainstream' Republicans to continue their move to the center-left in an effort to try to become more popular. I could really get behind supporting a 3rd party, libertarian-oriented candidate, but I have yet to see one emerge on the national level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 Voting for a 3rd party or Libertarian candidate makes sense to me, because Republicans will continue to see a growing support among the people for those ideals, and will start to adopt those ideals as part of their own platform, as evidenced by the various TEA party movements and their effect on the right. On the other hand, a protest vote for a Democrat only shores up the leftist/statist movement, causing the more 'moderate/mainstream' Republicans to continue their move to the center-left in an effort to try to become more popular. I could really get behind supporting a 3rd party, libertarian-oriented candidate, but I have yet to see one emerge on the national level. And a continued shift to the left eventually breaks the entire system, and allows for a new one to rise from the ashes in the long term. Either way, it makes more sense to hold the Republican Party hostage than to cast a vote for a neo-mercantilist statist and perpetuate the faux-choice status quo. Rand Paul, as compromising and unideal as he is, is about as far away from a true libertarian as I'd be willing to vote for. If Paul heads the ticket, he'd have my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted February 1, 2015 Share Posted February 1, 2015 And a continued shift to the left eventually breaks the entire system, and allows for a new one to rise from the ashes in the long term. Either way, it makes more sense to hold the Republican Party hostage than to cast a vote for a neo-mercantilist statist and perpetuate the faux-choice status quo. Rand Paul, as compromising and unideal as he is, is about as far away from a true libertarian as I'd be willing to vote for. If Paul heads the ticket, he'd have my vote. Fair enough, but I'd prefer a move to bring libertarianism to the fore without bringing down the system in doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Fair enough, but I'd prefer a move to bring libertarianism to the fore without bringing down the system in doing so.The system isn't worth saving. Any libertarian worth his salt would begin deconstructing it upon taking office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 The system isn't worth saving. Any libertarian worth his salt would begin deconstructing it upon taking office. Difference of opinion - the way I see it, things were ruined incrementally over time, and will need to be fixed the same way. Too much of a disruption will alienate too many people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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