Malazan Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 If you need to say "i'm sorry" about making a post, I'd definitely recommend rethinking the post.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 The reason the bills were better v the run is brandon spikes. Brown didn't hurt either. That's it. It all comes down to qb. Fix EJ and get him playing 95ish passer rating football and keep the d together, bills are a Super Bowl contender.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 The reason the bills were better v the run is brandon spikes. Brown didn't hurt either. That's it. It all comes down to qb. Fix EJ and get him playing 95ish passer rating football and keep the d together, bills are a Super Bowl contender. No, the players went way out of their way to say there was a difference in how they were coached on the run, and attention to detail that Schwartz instilled. Your point about Spikes and to lesser extent Brown is also true though, and Bradham played a huge role. Good chance we see David Harris here, too, depending on how much teams are willing to pay.
hondo in seattle Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Just about any head coach hire would be preferable to Marrone in my view, as he lost me when he was out on the practice field "hands on" with the O linemen only to see them get worse. St Doug is about as far removed as an offensive guru as Rex Ryan is. Marrone seemed to be more intent on helping his BFF with special teams then his OC. Yes lord, I am very grateful Nathaniel Hackett is no longer with the Buffalo Bills. The bright spot for me is the new Bills OC! Greg Roman looks to be my type of offensive coordinator, as someone who will build a power run game to allow the QB to manage the game. Just what I've been hoping for the last 10 years. Now sadly, the weight of the entire offense is on this one mans shoulders. I get that Ryan will field a defense equal to, or even better then Schwartz's #3 overall defense. Ryan had a top 10 defense his last four years, and it didn't get him a winning season. My complaint here is with this HC hire is the Bills didn't find a head coach that has an eye for QB's, offensive talent, and unless Roman is that guy, the team is screwed again this year. We won't fully know this until next season starts. The Bills already had a good defense, and needed an infusion of actual offensive intelligence. I think whomever Ryan hires as his O line coach will be of the utmost importance in developing some of those young linemen. Someone mentioned that Bill Callahan's contract with the Dallas Cowboys is up. If the young players can't be coached up then the Bills will need 3 of 5 new players for that line. I agree with the "unless Roman is that guy" sentiment. Roman, so far, has a mixed legacy as an OC. But even if he's good at coordinating a running game but bad at coordinating a passing game, as his detractors assert, that's still better than what we had. I'm not expecting any positive offensive input from Rex except maybe in the area of motivation as Rex is a good motivator. And I'm betting Whaley proves to be a better GM than John Idzik. This will be the biggest reason why Rex wins in Buffalo versus being .500 coach in New York. I also agree with the OL Coach concern. Yikes, our OL was painful to watch last year - and painful to play behind.
ejsohio Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I agree with your assessment and so do some NFL pundits. Did you read the article from the Syracuse Post where Mike Golic from Mike and Mike pretty much says what you and me believe. Now Swartz is leaving which was easy to predict, because of there different defensive phlisophies. So now we have a head coach who has never developed a quarterback and his team regressed the last four years under his watch. As a head coach your responsible for offense as well as defense. Now John Fox is out there and I am not saying he would of came to us, he has already turned down the Jets. He would of been a much better choice as I believe F. Reich, D. Bevell or A. Gase. Hope I am wrong on all of this, but I think two to three years down the road we will again be hiring a new coach and this cycle just keeps repeating. Eric ohio
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 No, the players went way out of their way to say there was a difference in how they were coached on the run, and attention to detail that Schwartz instilled. Your point about Spikes and to lesser extent Brown is also true though, and Bradham played a huge role. Good chance we see David Harris here, too, depending on how much teams are willing to pay. Say no all you want. Figure out how to get the opposing teams YPC with and with out him on the field and I guarnetee you will see on series where 51 wasn't at MLB, the run defense was lousy.
Kelly the Dog Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Say no all you want. Figure out how to get the opposing teams YPC with and with out him on the field and I guarnetee you will see on series where 51 wasn't at MLB, the run defense was lousy. I think he was the biggest factor too. It wasn't all him. It was him, Jim, the non blitzing, Bradham, Brown, hughes, Dareus with his head straight, super Mario, all together. I think Spikes was maybe a bigger factor than Schwartz but maybe equal.
MarkAF43 Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 So for the people here that aren't happy with the hire. If you were in charge of it, can you honestly say you would've hired one of the offensive minds, just because they're offensive minds? I understand some of the points people are making, but although he doesn't have a winning record ( I know this and am not arguing it), is he really a worse option rather than taking someone who was a decent OC and hasn't been a HC previously?
8-8 Forever? Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) When Ralph passed, the whole thing was inevitably going to be blown up. Never a doubt about that. Get over it. The Team could just as easily been moved out of WNY. Be glad that did not happen. The most important thing got done in the best way imaginable with the Pegs coming in. Deep pockets. Committed to winning. Young stable ownership. with all due respect, you Can't say any of that about Ralph this century... Edited January 13, 2015 by 8and8Forever
Coach Tuesday Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) There is a continuing myth around here that we should've hired an offensive-minded coach because our D is already solid. This represents flawed and uncreative business logic. In fact the opposite is true. Hire the best maximizer of your core asset. We did that by hiring Rex. Additionally, Rex Ryan ALREADY knows more about Buffalo's offensive personnel than anyone else in the league. Why? Because he had to gameplan against it twice a year. He is uniquely positioned to help fix the offense because he knows exactly what it's strengths and weaknesses are. Why hire an offensive consultant when you can hire the defensive strategist who had to study your offense already? You folks have it backwards. Edited January 13, 2015 by Coach Tuesday
AJ1 Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 This board will be really lit up when Rex's D isn't top 4 like Schwartz. Almost a must fail expectation, with the third D coordinator in three years. Anyhow, I don't expect good things from the Ryan administration....I give him three years max and then out of town like the last 6 HC's. Frankly, I hated Rex when he was in NY as a blowhard media darling.....and I still feel that way about him. Going to be hard for me to continue to follow Bills after may decades. This is the second worst hire ever for HC.....(Harvey Johnson was the worst) Most on this board don't even remember Harvey, and thats a good thing. This may the most inaccurate prediction of the whole topic, which is really saying something!
Garranimal Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 So for the people here that aren't happy with the hire. If you were in charge of it, can you honestly say you would've hired one of the offensive minds, just because they're offensive minds? I understand some of the points people are making, but although he doesn't have a winning record ( I know this and am not arguing it), is he really a worse option rather than taking someone who was a decent OC and hasn't been a HC previously? As a for instance (not that I support this in any way) had the bills immediately hired Mike Smith after getting fired by the Falcons...what would the reaction be? How is Mike Smith any different than Rex aside from personality? I mean, if you wanted to hire an annoying windbag but with an offense-bias, why not Lane Kiffen? He could thaw Monte from his cryogenic freeze and have pops as the D-coord. He has previous (and also unsuccessful) HC experience. In reality, I think Lane has learned some humility at the heels of Satan Nick. And to answer your actual question, I would have taken a very long look at Jim Mora Jr. I would not be surprised if he becomes a very good NFL coach some day if he decided to and is given another chance. Urban Meyer anyone?
Beef Jerky Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I think he was the biggest factor too. It wasn't all him. It was him, Jim, the non blitzing, Bradham, Brown, hughes, Dareus with his head straight, super Mario, all together. I think Spikes was maybe a bigger factor than Schwartz but maybe equal. Spikes wasn't even on the field for every run play. He barely was on the field for half of the run plays by the end of the season.
Billsguy Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 In brief, the Bills hire a new coach who guided the Jets to a record of 4-12 last year and everyone seems to be ecstatic. The Bills lose their defensive coordinator (the truly bright spot on the team) who guided the defense to a top 5 finish and nobody seems bothered. The Bills keep their GM, who I believe made one of the worst trades in Bills history, and everybody seems to be thrilled. The Bills are on the verge of hiring an offensive coordinator from SF whose offenses ranked 25th and 24th over the last two seasons in points scored and everybody seems excited and optimistic. If I was a fan of the Pats,Dolphins and Jets, I would be very pleased with the moves the Bills have made. Unfortunately, as a lifelong Bills fan, the moves made by the current owners and GM have been very questionable to be generous. I guess Bills fans are so starved for success that any change is seen as positive even when the objective evidence contradicts their hopes and beliefs. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) There is a continuing myth around here that we should've hired an offensive-minded coach because our D is already solid. This represents flawed and uncreative business logic. In fact the opposite is true. Hire the best maximizer of your core asset. We did that by hiring Rex. Additionally, Rex Ryan ALREADY knows more about Buffalo's offensive personnel than anyone else in the league. Why? Because he had to gameplan against it twice a year. He is uniquely positioned to help fix the offense because he knows exactly what it's strengths and weaknesses are. Why hire an offensive consultant when you can hire the defensive strategist who had to study your offense already? You folks have it backwards. I like this. Maybe even our D kicks it up a notch and starts just beating the crap out of people like Seattle. The Pete Carroll/SEA model is the one we should follow. I would also add that Belichick was very similar in Cleveland to what Rex is right now, MINUS THE QB. It is quite possible they learned through their failure. Having said this, the offensive needs have to be a higher priority in the offseason. And, as you say, Rex understands our soft spots. Edited January 13, 2015 by moreproblemsthanOrton
DrDawkinstein Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 No reason for you to even be posting in this particular thread telling other Bills fans to go away. Why even enter into a thread just to stir stuff up? Want to dispute that the Bills didn't take a step back, then fine, feel free. Just don't condescend to other Bills fans that they need to go away because they don't agree with your opinion. Don't like the posts, then don't read them. Try and comprehend, like I already pointed out, I'm not on the Rex Ryan bandwagon. I really dislike that loud mouthed buffoon, and so much enjoyed the Buffalo Bills destroying his Jets teams this season. A loser HC that went 4-12 last season. 3-9 vs the Patriots over six seasons, and 1-7 the last four years. This hire makes little sense to me. Which HC has a better record against NE? Is anyone over .500 against them?
FireChan Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Which HC has a better record against NE? Is anyone over .500 against them? I'd go one step further. Is there another active HC with 3 or more wins against Brady/Beli? Maybe the Ravens Harbaugh? Not that I'm enamored with Rex's NE record, but it shouldn't be completed rejected.
DrDawkinstein Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I'd go one step further. Is there another active HC with 3 or more wins against Brady/Beli? Maybe the Ravens Harbaugh? Not that I'm enamored with Rex's NE record, but it shouldn't be completed rejected. I'll have to check post-season games, but looking at the regular season schedules over the last 6 years, the ONLY teams with 3 wins against the Pats are the Jets and Dolphins. Both at 3-9. No one with a better record against them.
FireChan Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I'll have to check post-season games, but looking at the regular season schedules over the last 6 years, the ONLY teams with 3 wins against the Pats are the Jets and Dolphins. Both at 3-9. No one with a better record against them. And that's two different coaches of the Dolphins, right? Philbin hasn't been there for 6 years, has he?
DrDawkinstein Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) UPDATE THE NUMBERS! Just researched the postseason... In 2010, The Jets beat New England in the Divisional Round of the playoffs. Giving Rex a 4-9 record against New England, and the best record most wins against the Pats of any coach over the last 6 years. Further Update: Including the postseason, the Ravens are 3-4 against the Pats over the last 6 seasons, including their loss to New England this past weekend. So, NO ONE is .500 against the Pats the last 6 seasons. Rex has the most wins against them with 4, and the Ravens have the best percentage at .428 Edited January 13, 2015 by DrDareustein
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