YoloinOhio Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 No. He is our very best player, all-pro and only 24. I have no idea whether either of those QBs will be successful nfl players. I would trade him for a proven, successful franchise QB and that's all. And any QB worth it would never be traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCOHEN13 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 no, I don't believe that either are a franchise QB, and Suh is most likely going to get tagged Suh will NOT get tagged... the franchise tag # will like 20+ mil for a DT! with all the $$$ they got tied up in Stafford and Calvin, they either find a way to sign Suh long term with increasing cap figures or they let him walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) After telling us how important the QB is in the NFL, you then say a team would give one up for a D-lineman in trade? Would you do that? Edited January 12, 2015 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted William's frozen head Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 is this even worth commenting on??. Again .... Rex was given his marching orders to teach EJ and play him. Get used to that, Don't worry. Rex will cut him at the conclusion of training camp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 in a heartbeat. it would hurt, but i would do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Yes I would do it, and no it would never happen. At the risk of a thread-jack, here's (IMO) a more interesting far-fetched QB trade scenario: would you offer your next 10 first round picks for Andrew Luck? Would Indianapolis take it? No. Because Luck (like all QBs/players) is one hit away from being done. Five years' worth of first-rounders, I'd consider! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Suh cannot reasonably be tagged. They were discussing on NFL Radio. He would be owed 120 percent of his salary. It would cost Detroit about $24-$26 mil per. Suh cannot reasonably be tagged. They were discussing on NFL Radio. He would be owed 120 percent of his salary. It would cost Detroit about $24-$26 mil per. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) I couldn't imagine a GM giving up a chance to get a franchise quarterback. Quarterback is the most important position in sports. If I was the Bills I would trade anything to get a franchise quarterback. Yeah...this. I mean just look at playoffs this year. Every team that made it had an unquestioned franchise Qb except AZ and maybe Cin... Who's the best qb that didn't make the tourney? Cutler?? Rivers??? I guess Brees or ryan, but still arm talent make all the difference Edited January 12, 2015 by over 20 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Neither Mariota, nor Winston, will ever be successful NFL QBs, in my opinion.Ok then, never mind.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 is this even worth commenting on??. Again .... Rex was given his marching orders to teach EJ and play him. Get used to that, This is far from certain at this point. And for the love of all things holy, let's hope you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 You won the lottery but you want to trade your winning lottery ticket for a new ticket that may or may not win - and probably won't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The only thing I get from the whole "Coaches were told to start EJ" is that, like it or not EJ is the best QB on our roster. Nothing is for sure as far as acquiring a veteran QB, so they want to make sure that if they don't get another option, how would they develop EJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 is this even worth commenting on??. Again .... Rex was given his marching orders to teach EJ and play him. Get used to that, Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I'll give you credit for an interesting thought...but no thanks. Like the above poster, 'trading Dareus' (proven all pro in his mid 20's) is not an option for me unless you get a legit top 10 NFL qb back....and that trade isn't going to happen from anyone's perspective. It ain't gonna happen. But really, if we run with the OP's scenario and assume Tampa would do something like that, of course you should take it. Dareus will be paid market rates, certainly after 2015. That means from a pure economist's point of view there's not really any value in him at the margin. As the OP said, let Dareus go, sign Suh, or go cheaper and sign Terrence Knighton or something. You are paying market value rates whichever way. The value of the first pick, particularly since the new CBA came in and the Sam Bradford signing bonuses went away, is that you get a potentially great player at way, way below market rates for several years. That's one reason Seattle has been so good -- not only is Russell Wilson already a fantastic QB, but he's a fantastic QB who's been (until now) playing for a ridiculously low salary -- money that they've applied wisely to other positions. So while it's easy to dismiss these far-fetched trade proposals, I usually find these "hell no, Dareus [or Mario, or substitute your favorite player] is great right now" responses equally poorly thought out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 We'd be better off giving up our 2016 #1 for Kaepernick this season, as he only has one more year of big money on his deal. We could afford him in 2015 and moving forward. Combine him with Roman and problem (hopefully) solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K D Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 so trade away our best player for an unproven QB that MIGHT be good in 2-3 years? hmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 so trade away our best player for an unproven QB that MIGHT be good in 2-3 years? hmmmmWell, GMs sometimes do stupid things for sentimental or other reasons. But the fact that everyone here seems to agree that there's no way the Bucs would make that deal supports the proposition that a Dareus for 1st pick deal would be one sided in favor of the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Dumb. Sorry so rude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The problem isnt trading Dareus, the problem is that he wouldnt come close to getting the number one. I think its a no brainer to say the Bills are a better team with Suh and Winston or Marriotta than they are with Dareus and no QB. That's because people overvalue draft picks. When a team uses a #3 pick on a player they dream that he'll turn out to be as good as Dareus. Yet, once he turns out that good he's still not worth trading for a top 3 pick. It's pure craziness how overvalued 1st round picks are. People won't tade the pick for a sure thing and would rather gamble with the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 That's because people overvalue draft picks. When a team uses a #3 pick on a player they dream that he'll turn out to be as good as Dareus. Yet, once he turns out that good he's still not worth trading for a top 3 pick. It's pure craziness how overvalued 1st round picks are. People won't tade the pick for a sure thing and would rather gamble with the draft. You are forgetting something: Money. As someone pointed out upthread, Dareus will very soon begin eating up more than $10 million year of his team's salary cap. Whichever rookie you are talking about will be much cheaper for his first four years. And Dareus, while still young, has four more years of NFL wear and tear on his body than said rookie. In case you hadn't noticed, linemen don't last forever. But the biggest problem with the trade, of course, is that the GM of either Tennessee or Tampa Bay, both of whom need a QB pretty badly, would be immediately fired, tarred and then feathered if they traded a chance to draft one of the two best QB prospects since Andrew Luck for a defensive lineman, especially one who has had only one truly outstanding season. It ain't happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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