bigK14094 Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I am not as optimistic about the outcome here. 5 years 5 coordinators.....new sets of reads for the D......really, these guys must have their head swimming. Were I playing under this merry go round of coaching, I would get out of Dodge as quickly as possible when my contract was up. (see Hughes ) Buffalo's D was great this past year, but back into the hot mess of coaching change again. I have Low expectations of this new coaching crew. They ,after all, were the Jets coaches these past few years. Ugh.......
die hard bills fan Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I really liked Schwartz but his leaving was inevitable once he didn't get the HC job. I guess his leaving is better now than later and the D will probably still be very good under Rex. The other side of the ball remains the big problem.
Peter Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Another way to look at the Schwartz thing is that there was a good chance that he was going to leave at some point once he got a HC offer.
The Big Cat Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) I am not as optimistic about the outcome here. 5 years 5 coordinators.....new sets of reads for the D......really, these guys must have their head swimming. Were I playing under this merry go round of coaching, I would get out of Dodge as quickly as possible when my contract was up. (see Hughes ) Buffalo's D was great this past year, but back into the hot mess of coaching change again. I have Low expectations of this new coaching crew. They ,after all, were the Jets coaches these past few years. Ugh....... And yet they were fine with four? Five is the tipping point? I don't think so. These guys are pros. It's not like they're changing coordinators week to week. I'm suddenly reminded of the sweeping Wide-9/oh-my-god-we'll-never-blitz paranoia that swept through Bills Nation following the Schwartz hire. As the guy who wagged his finger at everyone bitching about Hackett by reminding the mob how untalented key parts of our offense were, let me now join others and say: this defense, with even the slightest bit of coaching competency, will be just fine. Edited January 13, 2015 by The Big Cat
Profitspro Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Reports are that Thurman is in as DC and Pepper will interview for DC elsewhere, I would not be shocked if Henderson interviews for DC elsewhere. Although I think the Def will be fine it is worrying though to break up a good defense coaching staff. Too much turnover may not be such a good thing. That said I think the D will be fine, we have to address QB, OL and our running game.
ronaldo922 Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I don't think this is a big deal. Pettine was Rex Ryan's defensive co-ordinator only a year removed and he was touted enough to land a head coaching job. The defensive principles are the same. Pettine was literally Rex Ryan's right hand man. So lets not overblow Jim Schwartz here. He inherited a very good defense that had another year to gel that was young and improved with another year. Yes, Jim Schwartz was a part of that improvement but he wasn't the only reason the Bills had a great defense
YoloinOhio Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Rob Quinn @RQUINN619 7s7 seconds ago How Mike Pettine Used Kyle Williams in 2013 http://forgedinbuffalo.com/sports/22-analysis-buffalo-bills-dl-kyle-williams/ … What we should see this year Rob Quinn @RQUINN619 27s28 seconds ago How Pettine used Mario Williams in 2013 http://forgedinbuffalo.com/sports/mario-williams-play-key-buffalo-bills-defensive-turnaround/ … Some throwback stuff that is being tweeted out that could be reminders-- Rob Quinn @RQUINN619 4m4 minutes ago Inside Mike Pettine’s Playbook Part One: Pettine’s Philosophy http://famba.se/YVQD7C via @TheBillsMafia Rob Quinn @RQUINN619 4m4 minutes ago Inside Mike Pettine’s Playbook Part Two: The 3-4 as a Personnel Group http://famba.se/YVF7Jr via @TheBillsMafia Rob Quinn @RQUINN619 4m4 minutes ago Inside Mike Pettine’s Playbook Part Three: Defending The Spread http://famba.se/1Ed98FD via @TheBillsMafia Rob Quinn @RQUINN619 53s54 seconds ago Inside Mike Pettine’s Playbook Part Four: The Zone Blitz http://famba.se/YUUlyr via @TheBillsMafia Rob Quinn @RQUINN619 1m1 minute ago What Can We Expect From The Bills’ D-Line In 2013? http://famba.se/YVk7m8 via @TheBillsMafia Edited January 13, 2015 by YoloinOhio
apuszczalowski Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 This isn't as bad as the chicken Littles are making this out to be. Pettine ran a Rex Ryan defence here 2 years ago, and it was good, they aren't going to an entirely new defence, just back to one they already had some experience with
bigK14094 Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 This isn't as bad as the chicken Littles are making this out to be. Pettine ran a Rex Ryan defence here 2 years ago, and it was good, they aren't going to an entirely new defence, just back to one they already had some experience with My recall is that the Pettine D was flashy with lots of sacks, but gave up a lot on the run.......and Schwartz fixed that with his system. Now, back to the system that was run deficient.......seems like the Rex/Pettine system might not be as strong as some suggest. Thats an empirical observation followed by an opinion. I will stand corrected if Rex defense comes in #4 or better. I am guessing not, however!
boyst Posted January 13, 2015 Author Posted January 13, 2015 Mario said when he came here that he wanted stability and solidarity on the sideline. Wonder what he has to say now?
DrDawkinstein Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 WRT Henderson, Tsaikotic just posted the following in the Shout Box: Howard WGR @hsimon62 21m21 minutes agowas thinking new DC would mean DB Coach Donnie Henderson would leave but he was with Rex Ryan on Brian Billick's staff in Baltimore
reddogblitz Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Now, back to the system that was run deficient.......seems like the Rex/Pettine system might not be as strong as some suggest. Pettine's system can't stop the run to save it's neck. Check his results in Cleveland in that regard as well. Rex' on the other hand is stout against the run. The Jets last year were better against the run than our Schwartz D.
The Big Cat Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 The Chicken Little crowd wants to the lay improved run-D at the feet of Jim Schwartz. Undoubtedly, he helped. But so did Brandon Spikes, Preston Brown and Kiko Alonso not over-running gaps by four feet.
John from Riverside Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 Another way to look at the Schwartz thing is that there was a good chance that he was going to leave at some point once he got a HC offer. Peter, I was thinking this just last night. Lets keep in mind that Rex Ryan signed a FIVE year deal...he isnt going anywhere soon. I think Schwartz might have been upset he didnt get the HC job (which could have been why he agreed to be the DC to begin with....to get that chance) Schwartz was going to bail the first chance he got.....and chances are he would shine with this D next year as well...and be gone.....and then Rex is having to take it over anyway the following year
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 My recall is that the Pettine D was flashy with lots of sacks, but gave up a lot on the run.......and Schwartz fixed that with his system. Now, back to the system that was run deficient.......seems like the Rex/Pettine system might not be as strong as some suggest. Thats an empirical observation followed by an opinion. I will stand corrected if Rex defense comes in #4 or better. I am guessing not, however! Rex's D was better against the run than we were.
John from Riverside Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 I keep hearing people throw comments around like Rex Ryan's run D is not good because Pettine was his understudy and HIS run D was not good This is simply not the case......Ryan runs all those confusing blitzes and STILL has been historically good against the run
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) The Chicken Little crowd wants to the lay improved run-D at the feet of Jim Schwartz. Undoubtedly, he helped. But so did Brandon Spikes, Preston Brown and Kiko Alonso not over-running gaps by four feet. this. Not to mention Bradham and a refocused dareus. I really hope we bring back spikes. Edited January 13, 2015 by kr632
TheFunPolice Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Rex's D was better against the run than we were. This doesn't seem to be sinking in The Jets were a depleted team talent wise this year and had a QB who threw picks like candy at a parade. They lost to the Patriots* by a TOTAL of 3 points in two games. Rex WILL have this team ready to kick their asses! Edited January 13, 2015 by TheFunPolice
Kelly the Dog Posted January 13, 2015 Posted January 13, 2015 The Chicken Little crowd wants to the lay improved run-D at the feet of Jim Schwartz. Undoubtedly, he helped. But so did Brandon Spikes, Preston Brown and Kiko Alonso not over-running gaps by four feet. And Bradham. And Hughes was stellar against the run. And Corey Graham. And don't forget that Marcel's head was on straight, which was a huge factor (and something Marrone gets partial credit for).
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