Billsfan1972 Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) and plays 12 games? I've gone through the stats and targets for the year in other posts. We know people here note SW's drops (4) and I thought he had 15 by the comments. ODB had 2. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2014/ ODB Caught 70% of targets vs. 50.8% for SW. So as the title states, how many catches does ODB have on Buffalo? A fair assumption based on these stats is 45 at best and we'd wonder if we should've drafted an Offensive Lineman..... Yes these non-stop comparisons drive me batty!!! Edited January 9, 2015 by Billsfan1972
Snorom Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 according to the Beckham jock sniffers he would of had 200 catches
YoloinOhio Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Does it count as a target if it is 12 feet away from the player? There is your difference in percentage of targets to catches right there.
Bills of Boston Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 You can just trade their stats if Watkins had eli in my opinion just to keep the debate simple... and then we would have those saying... "I cant believe whaley wouldn't have traded this years 19th pick for Watkins.. hes AMAZING"
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 I believe he would have had less catches that Sammy in our Offense. He is a good receiver but I believe that Sammy is better. All things being equal, Sammy would outproduce OBJ in my opinion.
billsfan1959 Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Let's look at the last 7 games of the year. Beckham is targeted 94 times with Eli Manning as his QB, while Watkins is targeted 50 times with Orton - who, quite honestly, had severe accuracy issues over the last half of the season. My guess is that, if they traded circumstances, the results might have been reversed. However, comparing the circumstances of these two this year is like comparing apples to rocks...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Great thread. I also wonder if there are any people who think that we should have kept our pick and drafted Beckham.... I think I will start a thread about it.... CBF
truth on hold Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 So let me get tbis straight: You post some stats showing Beckham is more productive than Watkins when targeted, and from that we're supposed to conclude watkins is better than Beckham? Lol OK
Kemp Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 I can see saying that maybe they reversed teams, their stats would have reversed, but to state that Watkins is better is silly, so far. Trading that #1 remains a colossal error because it was predicated on EJ blossoming.
Thurman#1 Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) and plays 12 games? I've gone through the stats and targets for the year in other posts. We know people here note SW's drops (4) and I thought he had 15 by the comments. ODB had 2. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2014/ ODB Caught 70% of targets vs. 50.8% for SW. So as the title states, how many catches does ODB have on Buffalo? A fair assumption based on these stats is 45 at best and we'd wonder if we should've drafted an Offensive Lineman..... Yes these non-stop comparisons drive me batty!!! They must be driving you batty if you think you're being logical here. What would make you think that's a fair assumption, 45 at best? The assumptions being exposed here are your own, that the percentage is so high because of Eli rather than Beckham. If it's Eli, his other WRs will have similar percentages, naturally. Beckham catches 70 of the passes he's targeted with. How about the other Giants WRs? Rueben Randle 71/127 Preston Parker 36/56 Victor Cruz 23/41 Nah, it's Beckham. He is terrific, and he catches everything near him. Don't get me wrong, it helps Beckham to be with Eli and it hurt Sammy to be with Orton and Manuel this year. But Sammy caught 65/128 Woods 65/104 Hogan 41/61 Mike Williams 8/19 Beckham caught a much higher percentage than his fellow WRs. Sammy not so much. Here's another one. How does it make sense that Beckham caught 70% of his targets and Sammy 50.8%, when the Giants QBs completed 63.1% of their passes and the Bills QBs completed 62.7%? It doesn't. Edited January 9, 2015 by Thurman#1
zonabb Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Exactly what Sammy had. The Giants in the last month made ODB the focal point of the passing game and arguably the entire offense. The Bills refused to target Sammy religiously. ODB had 21 targets in his last game. Sammy had 30 targets in four December games and ODB had 53.
rayray808 Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 the real question is... How many catches would Sammy Watkins have if he was a Giant?
Thurman#1 Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Exactly what Sammy had. The Giants in the last month made ODB the focal point of the passing game and arguably the entire offense. The Bills refused to target Sammy religiously. ODB had 21 targets in his last game. Sammy had 30 targets in four December games and ODB had 53. I like Sammy, don't get me wrong. But I'd be more likely to target a guy who caught 70% of the passes thrown to him, a much higher percentage than any of the other WRs on his team, than a guy who caught 50.8% of the passes thrown to him, a below average percentage for the WRs on his team.
BillsBytheBay Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Sammy Watkins gets college open, than an uncatchable ball. I don't want to compare players. I think ODB is great. He may have the best hands in the game, that doesn't take away from Sammy, and what he endured this year. Both will have great careers. I take Sammy all day. That being said, ODB wins rookie of the year. How does he not?!
Heitz Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 But I'd be more likely to target a guy who caught 70% of the passes thrown to him, a much higher percentage than any of the other WRs on his team, than a guy who caught 50.8% of the passes thrown to him, a below average percentage for the WRs on his team. Not that the guy throwing the ball has anything to do with those stats...
thebandit27 Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 I like Sammy, don't get me wrong. But I'd be more likely to target a guy who caught 70% of the passes thrown to him, a much higher percentage than any of the other WRs on his team, than a guy who caught 50.8% of the passes thrown to him, a below average percentage for the WRs on his team. Downfield passing accuracy has a HUGE impact on the catch percentage--you know that. Eli is willing and able to push the ball down the field accurately, whereas neither Orton nor Manuel were. I know it's not the best barometer, but just look at the air yardage difference between the QBs: http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-air-yards/2014/
Kelly the Dog Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 They must be driving you batty if you think you're being logical here. What would make you think that's a fair assumption, 45 at best? The assumptions being exposed here are your own, that the percentage is so high because of Eli rather than Beckham. If it's Eli, his other WRs will have similar percentages, naturally. Beckham catches 70 of the passes he's targeted with. How about the other Giants WRs? Rueben Randle 71/127 Preston Parker 36/56 Victor Cruz 23/41 Nah, it's Beckham. He is terrific, and he catches everything near him. Don't get me wrong, it helps Beckham to be with Eli and it hurt Sammy to be with Orton and Manuel this year. But Sammy caught 65/128 Woods 65/104 Hogan 41/61 Mike Williams 8/19 Beckham caught a much higher percentage than his fellow WRs. Sammy not so much. Here's another one. How does it make sense that Beckham caught 70% of his targets and Sammy 50.8%, when the Giants QBs completed 63.1% of their passes and the Bills QBs completed 62.7%? It doesn't. I couldn't find better stats, and there is something wrong with these splits from ESPN, because it only counts 79 of his 91 catches. But counting only 79 of them, OBJ caught 17 passes behind the line of scrimmage. So I imagine with the 12 extra, which may have been the last game they didn't count, over 20 of his catches, which are about 95% target completion, were behind the line. Watkins caught 4 balls behind the LOS. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/16733/odell-beckham-jr
TSOL Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) How many catches would Sammy and Odell Beckham have in 2014 if they were both on the Patriots? I say at least 500 each. Edited January 9, 2015 by mastershake
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