Tiberius Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Businesses have more than ample qualified applicants for existing positions... This is just further evidence that you haven't been paying any attention, at all, to the labor participation rates. Further evidence I haven't what? Oh, were you and 3rd-turd compiling "evidence" about me on that?? Lol http://www.nbcnews.com/id/43465034/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy/t/funding-scarce-training-new-hires/ Funny, I did a quick search and all over the country companies are looking for workers with skills. So you get an F there buddy. Funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 POTUS appears to be expert at selecting an issue from his man-purse then throwing it at the wall just to see what will stick. The eerie part of it is that he doesn't even look into the bag to see what he is throwing next. For example, see the past six years worth of foreign non-policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 A high school diploma is free. Does everyone have one of those? Hey, speaking of the mindless takers who get their dick sucked by Obama...look who showed up...just the kind of moron who thinks things are free simply because he's too phucking stupid to understand how this country operates. Tell us...were you the first mindless taker to get your dick sucked by the president or did you have to stand in line again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 When do I get my free gun? My state has a "one gun a month" law. I can't afford to buy one gun a month. Where do I go to get my free gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 No one here will be surprised, but I support publicly funded higher education, I think along with publicly funded healthcare, it strengthens a workforce to become more efficient, and capable. That being said, in our country, with our corruption, imbalances, and fear of regulation, it simply won't work. If Obama wanted this to actually pass, he would have brought it up during his first couple years, when Democrats had complete power. Instead, this comes off a political maneuver, something to just rally with "look, Republicans don't support education". I will say, since almost all middle class jobs these days require a Bachelor's, getting kids a "free" (yes, I know taxes pay for this, and I'm ok with it) first couple years will be a big help to easing the burden of student loans. At least until University's respond by increasing prices exponentially. Which is where regulations would need to come in, and that's an impossible battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 At least until University's respond by increasing prices exponentially. Which is where regulations would need to come in, and that's an impossible battle. Of course there won't be any new regulations on Colleges or Universities in regards to this plan. Who do you think is lobbying for the Government for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 If we have to hand out money for people to be motivated to improve their lives, it would have been better if the government would pay for your degree IF you graduated on time (in two years) with at least a B average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 No one here will be surprised, but I support publicly funded higher education, I think along with publicly funded healthcare, it strengthens a workforce to become more efficient, and capable. That being said, in our country, with our corruption, imbalances, and fear of regulation, it simply won't work. If Obama wanted this to actually pass, he would have brought it up during his first couple years, when Democrats had complete power. Instead, this comes off a political maneuver, something to just rally with "look, Republicans don't support education". I will say, since almost all middle class jobs these days require a Bachelor's, getting kids a "free" (yes, I know taxes pay for this, and I'm ok with it) first couple years will be a big help to easing the burden of student loans. At least until University's respond by increasing prices exponentially. Which is where regulations would need to come in, and that's an impossible battle. Why is it, do you think, that most of these "middle class jobs" require at least a Bachelor's? Are you aware that at the beginning on the 1970's, they did not? Nearly the only professions which required a college education were doctors and lawyers. Now, you can't get a job in a call center with a decent company without a Bachelor's. What happened that caused this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 6 reasons the math on Obama’s college plan doesn’t add upBy Anita Kumar :McClatchy Washington BureauJanuary 9, 2015 WASHINGTON — There are at least six reasons that community college won’t be free anytime soon, no matter what President Barack Obama says. Obama, who traveled Friday to Pellissippi State Community College in Knoxville, Tenn., to tout the America’s College Promise plan, said he wanted to make higher education as accessible as a high school diploma for all Americans. But the plan has flaws that all but ensure it won’t be implemented and will serve only as a political proposal to make supporters happy. Among the reasons: 6 reasons at the link: . Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/01/09/252584_6-reasons-the-math-on-obamas-college.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 6 reasons at the link: Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/01/09/252584_6-reasons-the-math-on-obamas-college.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy It shouldn't be much longer, now, before Obama starts explaining to everyone his new 'free tuna sandwiches' initiative that will begin with his latest idea of feeding mayonnaise to the fish before they are put in the can. Good ol' Barry. He's an ideas guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 It's free to the kids that get it, right? Why does it have to be free to the stufent's family? Why should I have to pay for your kid's college education? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 It's free to the kids that get it, right? You want a free education, go to the public library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 You want a free education, go to the public library. That requires reading. And modern education will tolerate no such thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Why is it, do you think, that most of these "middle class jobs" require at least a Bachelor's? Are you aware that at the beginning on the 1970's, they did not? Nearly the only professions which required a college education were doctors and lawyers. Now, you can't get a job in a call center with a decent company without a Bachelor's. What happened that caused this? The government imposed standards for jobs? Every Tom Dick and Sally that wants to be a nurse should at least show they get somewhat educated, don't ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 a great idea. we can prioritize skills we most need. evolve community colleges into what the british used to call polytechnics. then revive the skilled apprentice system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 The government imposed standards for jobs? When did they do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 a great idea. we can prioritize skills we most need. evolve community colleges into what the british used to call polytechnics. then revive the skilled apprentice system. What did the Soviets call them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 What did the Soviets call them? Shhh. The **** doesn't even know there are still apprentice programs in all the skilled trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) Shhh. The **** doesn't even know there are still apprentice programs in all the skilled trades. perhaps there are where you live. in Appalachia, and I suspect many other poor communities, not so much. here's an article describing what i'm saying in broad strokes: http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/02/10/apprentice-programs-can-help-fix-the-high-skill-labor-shortage . the first paragraph parrots what so many here say about higher education. i don't think many here can seriously quibble with what it states. the solution could instead look like the charlotte apprentice program linked in the article. problem is that there are way too few of these. for- profit schools are unsuccessfully filling the void: http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/11/16/for-profit-universities-are-not-inherently-bad-just-empirically-bad/mTMDbC0xUXSYWAdeBD3rwO/story.html. demand for them could dry up overnight if obama's plan is successful. also, keep in mind that the federal dollars going to these largely worthless "schools" could be applied to the community colleges programs. Edited January 12, 2015 by birdog1960 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 The government imposed standards for jobs? No. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_Education_Act_of_1965 Every Tom Dick and Sally that wants to be a nurse should at least show they get somewhat educated, don't ya think? They always have been. a great idea. we can prioritize skills we most need. evolve community colleges into what the british used to call polytechnics. then revive the skilled apprentice system. Oh, look... birdog doesn't understand supply and demand curves. Did anyone not see that coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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