TheFunPolice Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 It seems like the NFL coach derby is stuck in quicksand this year, at least to me. Not specifically the Bills situation, but I find it odd that of all the openings none have been filled yet, and more than that, none have been "all but signed sealed and delivered" yet either. Almost two weeks in every one seems completely wide open. Doesn't this seem odd? It could mean that a lot of playoff coordinators are up for these jobs. It also means IMO that there is no "hot shot, must have" name out there that teams are hotly competing for, thus they can wait. Thoughts?
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 No it's not. as discussed in numerous threads I have reiterated that a lot of the top candidates are still involved in the playoffs. Once the SB is over then things will move at lightning speed. I really don't see more than 1/4 of the hiring done before the SB
Canadian Bills Fan Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 I agree. Plus there are some GM's that need to be hired first CBF
dcjoev Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 I believe the writing's on the wall for both Shanahans to end up in Buffalo. Kyle's interview today went from a mandatory head coaching meeting to a coach OR coordinator one. If he's hired for either one of the roles, Buffalo will choose from 3 sets of options. 1. Mike as head coach and Kyle as OC (like they were in DC) 2. Kyle as head coach, with a new OC, and Mike as President/Director of Football Operations 3. A new HC that's NOT a Shanahan, with Kyle as OC and Mike as President/Director of Football Operations And.... The person who I believe is most likely to fill in the blanks in lines 2 and 3 is.... Ravens OC Gary Kubiak, who could leave Baltimore (like Kyle left Cleveland), as soon as the season ends for his current team. The connection between all 3 is obvious and there's a lot to like about Kubiak, who turned Baltimore's offense into a juggernaut in 2014. Gary was Mike's OC in Denver, when the Broncos won back-to-back Super Bowls in 1997 and '98. And Kyle was Gary's OC in Houston before becoming his Dad's in Washington. Personally, I like the Shanny plan, but would prefer Mike or Koobs as the Bills new HC. I just don't think Kyle's ready yet to be "the guy".
Jamie Nails Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 One of the WGR morning guys brought up a point this AM that in a backwards way has merit. If we wait it out and other teams start to fill their slots, we may have an opportunity- that we wouldn't otherwise have because we're not the most desirable slot- to land one of the Seattle guys or perhaps Gase. Basically, we'd be the last job left. Funny, but waiting could work if we really want these guys and they don't have us at the top of their list, which they likely don't.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 I think two years ago there was a run on coaches, which led to a race to hire. This year, no one has made that first move. I think once you see one hire, you may see a flurry of activity. I am surprised that Rex to Atlanta is not a done deal yet. Seems like a no-brainier for both sides.
Nanker Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 Not at all. Some of the best Coordinators are still working and can't be interviewed till they're out of the playoffs. What's different is there aren't many/any hot kallage koches this year.
thebandit27 Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 One of the WGR morning guys brought up a point this AM that in a backwards way has merit. If we wait it out and other teams start to fill their slots, we may have an opportunity- that we wouldn't otherwise have because we're not the most desirable slot- to land one of the Seattle guys or perhaps Gase. Basically, we'd be the last job left. Funny, but waiting could work if we really want these guys and they don't have us at the top of their list, which they likely don't. Sure, that could happen. The other part about waiting it out is that coordinators ascending to head coach usually bring most of their staff with them from their previous team. If Buffalo likes a guy like Gase or Bevell, and that guy reaches the Superbowl, it stands to reason that he'd bring--in the very least--his new OC and OL coach from his existing team. The relative lateness will also more than likely encourage him to keep the defensive staff intact, which I view as a good thing.
Jamie Nails Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 The X-factor here is money. T. Pegs ain't Ralph, which may give us a chance at guys we couldn't even realistically approach in the past. Wherever we land will be telling about how much people think of our organization and if money makes a difference. No matter what, they are going to play up the, "we had an exhaustive search and this was a our first choice candidate" angle.
dcjoev Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) NFL teams can block lateral moves, but cannot block promotions. They just have the ability to say no, like the Bills and 49ers did when Washington requested permission to interview Jim Schwartz and Vic Fangio for the Skins' defensive coordinator opening. Even before Kyle Shanahan got freed up with this morning's firing in Cleveland, the Pegula's asked for and were granted permission to talk to him about their head coaching position. I'm sure if he was still with the Browns, Buffalo could have offered him the alternative option of an OC job during the interview... But if, by rule, they couldn't, the Bills would have had to ask Cleveland a second time for permission to interview Kyle as an offensive coordinator. The Browns could have actually denied that request, but with the friction that had developed between their staff and Kyle, it was highly doubtful they would have. "An NFL team cannot interview an assistant coach - who is in the same role and under an existing contract with another team - without the permission of his current organization. Teams will usually give permission upon request, particularly if a lower level coach is set to take an offensive or defensive coordinator position elsewhere. But the current team is not required to give permission." In other words, teams can't stand in the way of an assistant's chances at a head-coaching job (even if under contract). But they CAN keep an assistant from leaving for another assistant job, if they CHOOSE to. Edited January 8, 2015 by dcjoev
PromoTheRobot Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 I think two years ago there was a run on coaches, which led to a race to hire. This year, no one has made that first move. I think once you see one hire, you may see a flurry of activity. I am surprised that Rex to Atlanta is not a done deal yet. Seems like a no-brainier for both sides. Plus there is no hot shot like Chip Kelly in the mix.
HOUSE Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Here is a preview Head Coach- Mike Shanahan OC- Kyle Shanahan DC Jim Schwartz Quarterback Coach-Dowell Loggains Bills starting QB- Brian Hoyer/ EJ Manuel Edited January 8, 2015 by HOUSE
Kirby Jackson Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 It's very odd. My dad and I were talking about it yesterday.
BillsFanM.D. Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 It's very odd. My dad and I were talking about it yesterday. I concur. I understand why some might see Buffalo 'taking their time' and trying to avoid the dreaded 'rush to judgement.' Not everyone is entering this hiring season with the same baggage, however. It's very surprising to me that not one of the teams has 'their' guy available and interviewed yet. It seems at least one team would be moving ahead with the strike first and get 'everything' we want now approach.
papazoid Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 very... everyone feeling each other up....or out....
Jamie Nails Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 Here is a preview Head Coach- Mike Shanahan OC- Kyle Shanahan DC Jim Schwartz Quarterback Coach-Dowell Loggains Bills starting QB- Brian Hoyer/ EJ Manuel I'd be all for this. Hoping they go qb in 2/3 round too.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Plus there is no hot shot like Chip Kelly in the mix. Or St. Doug marrone.
billsfan89 Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 Teams area realizing that there really doesn't need to be that much of a sense of urgency. Waiting an extra week or two isn't going to hurt your ability to prepare for the season.
TheFunPolice Posted January 9, 2015 Author Posted January 9, 2015 Makes sense... Usually some team hires the next guy by wildcard weekend... Maybe the wildcard put teams to sleep too! Worked for me last week
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