B-Man Posted January 7, 2015 Author Posted January 7, 2015 Don’t Blame the Charlie Hebdo Mass Murder on ‘Extremism’ :Intolerance for free expression is rooted in classical Islam. by Andrew C McCarthy There are now at least twelve confirmed dead in the terrorist attack carried out by at least three jihadist gunmen against the Paris office of Charlie Hebdo. While it practices equal-opportunity satire, lampooning Islam has proved lethal for the magazine, just as it has for so many others who dare to exercise the bedrock Western liberty of free expression. Charlie Hebdo’s offices were firebombed in 2011 over a caricature of Mohammed that depicted him saying, “100 lashes if you don’t die from laughter.” The cartoon was obviously referring to sharia, Islam’s legal code and totalitarian framework. Don’t take my word for it. Just flip through Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law, the authoritative sharia manual. You will find a number of offenses for which flagellation is the prescribed penalty. {snip} What Charlie Hebdo has satirized is a savage reality. That reality was visited on the magazine again today. As night follows day, progressive governments in Europe and the United States are already straining to pretend that this latest atrocity is the wanton work of “violent extremists,” utterly unrelated to Islam. You are to believe, then, that François Hollande, Barack Obama, David Cameron, and their cohort of non-Muslim Islamophiles are better versed in sharia than the Muslim scholars who’ve dedicated their lives to its study and have endorsed such scholarly works as Reliance. Let me repeat what I have detailed here before: Al-Qaeda and the Islamic State did not make up sharia law. Islam did. We can keep our heads tucked snug in the sand, or we can recognize the source of the problem. As I detailed in Spring Fever: The Illusion of Islamic Democracy, the literalist construction of sharia that Islamic supremacists seek to enforce is “literal” precisely because it comes from Islamic scripture, not from some purportedly “extremist” fabrication of Islam. Moreover, this “classical sharia” is enthusiastically endorsed in principle by several of the most influential institutions in the Islamic Middle East, which explains why it is routinely put into practice when Islamists are given — or seize — the opportunity to rule over a territory. More at the link: The Folly of ‘Fundamentalism’ :When it comes to “religious extremism,” religion matters. by Kevin D Williamson A few months ago, a nice and well-meaning lady handed me a stack of Christian literature, including a pamphlet authored by the despicable anti-Catholic/anti-Semite Jack Chick. I am a Catholic, but I do not think she really meant anything sour by it, and the pamphlet in question was daft and illiterate but free from the most obvious sort of hate-mongering associated with Chick and his work. I thought for a minute about talking to her about what she was handing out, but decided against it. I’ve spent enough time around fundamentalist boobs and their choose-your-own-adventure theologies to appreciate that it is a waste of time. One thing that did not occur to me: shooting her in the face. As the slaughter at the offices of Charlie Hebdo in Paris reminds us, the phrase “religious extremism” is useless in that it is almost entirely devoid of content. It matters — and it matters a great deal — which religion is under consideration. The world does not have much of a problem with Quaker extremism, Mormon extremism, African Methodist Episcopal extremist, Reform Jewish extremism, Zen Buddhist extremism, Southern Baptist extremism, etc. We’ve seen, over the past few decades, scattered paroxysms of Hindu extremism and Sikh extremism (India), Buddhist violence (Burma), quasi-Christian cult violence (Uganda, Sudan), etc., but the big show in terms of violent extremism is the never-ending circus of jihad. More at the Link: .
Big Blitz Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 Unretire the guillotine. If I'm not mistaken it was last used in the 70s.
B-Man Posted January 7, 2015 Author Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) President Obama has issued this statement on the military style terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo in Paris this morning: I strongly condemn the horrific shooting at the offices of Charlie Hebdo magazine in Paris that has reportedly killed 12 people. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims of this terrorist attack and the people of France at this difficult time. France is America’s oldest ally, and has stood shoulder to shoulder with the United States in the fight against terrorists who threaten our shared security and the world. Time and again, the French people have stood up for the universal values that generations of our people have defended. France, and the great city of Paris where this outrageous attack took place, offer the world a timeless example that will endure well beyond the hateful vision of these killers. We are in touch with French officials and I have directed my Administration to provide any assistance needed to help bring these terrorists to justice. What words are missing from that statement ? ? Obama showed more passion talking about the flag in the Lions game than he did over #CharleHebdo massacre. . Edited January 7, 2015 by B-Man
Chef Jim Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 I lol'd at this. The ultimate surrender. Are you French? Italian. My wife and I are the Axis Powers.
Dante Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Italian. My wife and I are the Axis Powers. You just have to adopt a Japanese kid and you have the set! I suppose you could make your own but you are married so that wouldn't be right. Edited January 7, 2015 by Dante
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 Italian. My wife and I are the Axis Powers. More like some grotesque attempt at culinary fusion using roast duck and marinara.
/dev/null Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 You just have to adopt a Japanese kid and you have the set! I suppose you could make your own but you are married so that wouldn't be right. Or they could go to the pet store and get some kind of Japanese or Chinese aquarium fish and send pictures to EII
Chef Jim Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 You just have to adopt a Japanese kid and you have the set! I suppose you could make your own but you are married so that wouldn't be right. Or we could adopt a hot 20 year old Japanese chick and.........OW!!! Why the !@#$ didn't any of you guys tell me my wife was standing behind me??
Dante Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 Or we could adopt a hot 20 year old Japanese chick and.........OW!!! Why the !@#$ didn't any of you guys tell me my wife was standing behind me?? You had to go all Woody Allen and it backfired! lol
4merper4mer Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 What are the odds of an American citizen getting beheaded by an Islamic extremist? And can you compare them to the odds of death by other means? I need to know exactly how worried I'm supposed to be. Who cares if it is someone else's head? I guess not you.
DC Tom Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 There's a world of difference between "publicly denouncing" the actions and excommunicating the terrorists from the religion and society. Now, when we see the vast majority of Muslims who are allegedly as appalled by these actions as the rest of the civilized society - start to actively cleanse their flock of the practitioners of evil - then we may take them more seriously. That's like asking the Protestants to actively cleanse themselves of the Branch Davidians. Extremists aren't part of the "flock" of the vast majority of Muslims. That's what makes them extremists. Obama showed more passion talking about the flag in the Lions game than he did over #CharleHebdo massacre. . Well, naturally. He's got a much better understanding of football than he does foreign policy.
B-Man Posted January 8, 2015 Author Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Bill Maher ✔ @billmaher Condemning attack is not enuf: unless U strongly endorse the right of anyone to make fun of any religion/prophet, U r not a moderate Muslim David Burge @iowahawkblog Selective pixelization: in pic of dead CH editor, NY Daily News blurs cartoon of Mohammed, leaves hooked-nosed Jew The Onion speaks: It Sadly Unclear Whether This Article Will Put Lives At RiskPARIS—Following the fatal terrorist attack Wednesday at the offices of French newspaper Charlie Hebdo, sources confirmed this afternoon that it is sadly not yet clear whether this very article will ultimately put human lives at risk. According to totally and utterly depressing early reports, given the tragic deaths of 12 people, it is impossible to say with absolute certainty that this 500-word article will not make those involved in its writing—and potentially even those not involved—the targets of brutal and unconscionable violence. More at the link : http://www.theonion.com/articles/it-sadly-unclear-whether-this-article-will-put,37715/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default Edited January 8, 2015 by B-Man
Dorkington Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 What's to work on? Just call up Angela Merkel. Nothing wrong with tradition. It depends. What are the odds Obama introduces the guillotine? well played
Wacka Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 It wasn't that long ago when we had an organized group of Christian extremists murdering African Americans, Jews and Catholics, all in the name of Jesus Christ. Yeah, Denocrats.
B-Man Posted January 8, 2015 Author Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Islamic Radicals Are Not “Homegrown” “Lone wolf” is up there too, but “homegrown terrorism” is surely among the most ill-conceived and thus self-defeating terms in national security. In reporting that the French government believes it has identified three gunmen who carried out the terrorist attack that killed a dozen people in Paris today, the New York Times theorizes: Officials said late Wednesday that the suspects had been identified and that two were brothers. They were identified as Said and Cherif Kouachi , 32 and 34, and Hamyd Mourad , 18. French news reports said the brothers had been born in Paris, raising the prospect that homegrown Muslim extremists were responsible. There is no “homegrown” Islamic terrorism in the West. Being born in a Western country, or being resident in one at the time of “radicalization,” does not mean one’s terrorism is “homegrown.” What grows a terrorist in Paris – or New York, London, Madrid, Hamburg, etc. – is not his environs; it is Islamic supremacist ideology. That ideology is not Western; indeed, it is virulently hostile to the West. That it has been injected here does not make it of here. {snip} Referring to this ideology as “homegrown” is an insidious manifestation of willful blindness. It suggests that it must be something about the Western host country that “radicalizes” Muslims – something, anything, other than Islam. It undergirds the fiction that the resulting radicals are “violent extremists” who, if not out and out nihilists or lunatics, must be motivated by oppressive Western policies and historical Western sins – not by an aggressive ideology of conquest that commands them to make war on non-Muslims. That is, the notion of “homegrown terrorism” obscures the fact that terrorism against the West is inspired by a supremacist interpretation of Islam, the principles of which are mainstream in the Middle East and well known – albeit unspoken of – in the West. It enables the self-defeating pretension that those principles are seamlessly compatible with the Western culture that Islamic supremacists seek to vanquish. Jihadist terror is not homegrown in the West. It is grown by purveyors of a hostile, alien ideology whose precise purpose is to destroy our home. Edited January 8, 2015 by B-Man
DC Tom Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 Islamic Radicals Are Not “Homegrown” Well, that's a dumb article. "Homegrown" may not be the most accurate term, but it's a necessary term to distinguish "terrorists who are native born" from "terrorists who are imported." The fact is, there is a very important and practical distinction between the gomer who grows into a terrorist overseas and the gomer who grows into a terrorist in his home country...the latter is very much "homegrown," even if the "growth medium" is external to the country. And you can't address the latter if you don't identify the distinction. And "homegrown" is as good a distinction as any, and better than most.
B-Man Posted January 8, 2015 Author Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Well, that's a dumb article. "Homegrown" may not be the most accurate term, but it's a necessary term to distinguish "terrorists who are native born" from "terrorists who are imported." The fact is, there is a very important and practical distinction between the gomer who grows into a terrorist overseas and the gomer who grows into a terrorist in his home country...the latter is very much "homegrown," even if the "growth medium" is external to the country. And you can't address the latter if you don't identify the distinction. And "homegrown" is as good a distinction as any, and better than most. No. I am afraid that you missed the distinction that the author clearly drew. Homegrown doesn't refer to birthplace. The phrase "homegrown" clouds the way we identify these terrorists. It is lazy to say "we have to call them something, this is as good as any." as the author points out, that designation by the media deflects from the larger point. that is, the notion of “homegrown terrorism” obscures the fact that terrorism against the West is inspired by a supremacist interpretation of Islam, the principles of which are mainstream in the Middle East and well known – albeit unspoken of – in the West. It enables the self-defeating pretension that those principles are seamlessly compatible with the Western culture that Islamic supremacists seek to vanquish. Edited January 8, 2015 by B-Man
GG Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 That's like asking the Protestants to actively cleanse themselves of the Branch Davidians. Extremists aren't part of the "flock" of the vast majority of Muslims. That's what makes them extremists. Baloney. These offshoot Christian groups are outside the mainstream and are ostracized enough that they have to go far off the grid. The mere fact that Protestants exists also points to the historical difference in the dogma of not being beholden to a single interpretation of a holy book and how the religion is practiced. Until Muslims get a clue that their religion needs a serious case of Enlightenment, this crap will continue.
John Adams Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 Sorry to go full B-Man on this discussion. * Al-Azhar, the thousand-year-old seat of religious learning in Cairo that’s respected by Muslims around the world, referred to the attack as a criminal act, saying that “Islam denounces any violence,” according to Egypt’s state news agency MENA. * The Organization of the Islamic Conference strongly condemned the attack. A spokesperson for the OIC’s Islamophobia Observatory in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia said that violence and radicalism are “biggest enemies of Islam.” * The French Council of the Muslim Religion condemned the “barbaric” attack and said that first thoughts are with the victims and their families. It also called on “all those committed to the values of the Republic and democracy to avoid provocations that only serve to throw oil on the fire,” and on French Muslims to “exercise the utmost vigilance against possible manipulations from extremist groups.” * Indonesia, the world’s most-populous Muslim nation, “condemns the attack” and “sends condolences to the government and people of France,” the Foreign Ministry said in a statement. * “Egypt stands by France in confronting terrorism, an international phenomenon that targets the world’s security and stability and which requires coordinated international efforts to eradicate,” said Egyptian Foreign Minister Sameh Shoukry. * “We, as Turkey, condemn with hatred any kind of terror,” Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said in Ankara. “We are against any form of terror regardless of where it comes from and what its motives are.” http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-07/islamic-leaders-condemn-paris-attack-some-warn-against-backlash.html
GG Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 Sorry to go full B-Man on this discussion. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-07/islamic-leaders-condemn-paris-attack-some-warn-against-backlash.html Good for them. Now let's see them do something about it.
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