Azalin Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Romney couldn't have stopped this shooting even if he spent an hour in bed with Barbara Boxer and Elizabeth Warren. Thanks - I'll be giving dinner a miss this evening.
keepthefaith Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 As a teenage high school student in Florida, gay nightclub mass murderer Omar Mateen cheered as terrorists flew jumbo jets into the Twin Towers on 9/11, his former classmates recalled. Self-proclaimed Islamic State devotee Mateen was a sophomore when the al Qaeda terrorists attacked New York on Sept. 11, 2001 — and classmates vividly recalled his offensive reaction to America’s darkest day, according to the Washington Post. One former classmate said he was in the same room with Mateen during the 9/11 attacks. While everyone in the classroom was shocked or angered, Mateen was celebrating. “But Omar was saying some really rude stuff. Stuff like, ‘That’s what America deserves.’ That kind of thing. It wasn’t right,” the former classmate said. As a high school student you don't develop those feelings on your own. Had to be the influence at home.
Observer Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Interestingly, Presidential candidate Gary Johnson has the most sane thing to say in the aftermath IMHO From an article in the Seattle Times today: Chalk one up for Gary. Gary is the grown up candidate. As a high school student you don't develop those feelings on your own. Had to be the influence at home. His dad sounds like a peach.
sodbuster Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Interestingly, Presidential candidate Gary Johnson has the most sane thing to say in the aftermath IMHO From an article in the Seattle Times today: Chalk one up for Gary. Yeah, but if I don't jump to conclusions, how the hell can I possibly be the first to cast blame at somebody other than the perpetrator?
FireChan Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 His divisive polices and rhetoric have probably done more to promote mass shootings than prevent them. You're grossly overestimating the cost of acquiring a nuclear weapon. Give me a price tag.
Ozymandius Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 WFTV Eyewitness News ✔@WFTV #BREAKING: Arrest to be made soon of alleged accomplice in#PulseShooting #WFTV @KRayWFTV 4:18 PM - 13 Jun 2016 http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/wftv-arrest-expected-in-orlando-nightclub-mass-shooting/340918422
DC Tom Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Give me a price tag. Three billion, built from scratch. If you want to buy them on the black market, they're much harder to come by, but likely much, much cheaper.
FireChan Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Three billion, built from scratch. If you want to buy them on the black market, they're much harder to come by, but likely much, much cheaper. Either way, not exactly "every citizen could have a nuke" type of panic.
DC Tom Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Either way, not exactly "every citizen could have a nuke" type of panic. Wow. you didn't even question my numbers. (Three billion is the high end of the cost estimates for NK's nuclear program, is where I got it from.)
TH3 Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 I disagree.I don't think Obama gives a rat's asshair about the shootings except to see them as an opportunity to push his agenda. This murder had virtually nothing to do with the way guns are sold in America and precisely everything to do with a terror attack, but what did Obama talk about? Gun control. Every 'mass' shooting is another chance for him to push his cause. He may feel badly for a brief moment, but you can bet your ass the minute he hears the death toll going up, he's getting his typical gun control speech tee'd up for an address...usually right before he takes off for a fundraiser. You need to give it up too....
DC Tom Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 I'm all for pausing a moment before selling a serious gun to a guy whose name ends up in a potentially radicalized terror investigation. If there was aa cross check of gun buyers against names in terror-related investigations, does this shooting happen? Probably, but it at least gives the good guys a fighting chance. Obama couldn't have done one thing different to stop this attack in the same way Bush couldn't have stopped 9-11. But their gut reaction to the situation was keep America safe. Mass shootings are becoming copycat fun for psychos who have been shown the way. I voted for Romney and Romney couldn't have stopped this shooting even if he spent an hour in bed with Barbara Boxer and Elizabeth Warren. You're still an idiot.
FireChan Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Wow. you didn't even question my numbers. (Three billion is the high end of the cost estimates for NK's nuclear program, is where I got it from.) I honestly wasn't going to question something I had little knowledge of.
/dev/null Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 I honestly wasn't going to question something I had little knowledge of. Why not? That doesn't stop the rest of the Intarweb
Dorkington Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/gunman-orlando-pulse-omar-mateen-lgbt-gay-nightclub-regular-visitor And possibly a self-loathing bigotry twist, too. This is all over the place.
meazza Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/gunman-orlando-pulse-omar-mateen-lgbt-gay-nightclub-regular-visitor And possibly a self-loathing bigotry twist, too. This is all over the place. Maybe that or he was profiling the place?
Dorkington Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 Very possible... but visiting 12 times seems a little over the top for profiling, no?
/dev/null Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 Maybe that or he was profiling the place? i thought only raysis© white cops profiled Very possible... but visiting 12 times seems a little over the top for profiling, no? Not really. Probably cased the place several times and the later trips were dry runs / cold feet
DC Tom Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 Very possible... but visiting 12 times seems a little over the top for profiling, no? Or working up the nerve. Really, who the hell knows? One of my favorite scenes from Roseanne was when her gay boss was getting married, and having second thoughts about whether or not he was truly gay. "Oh yeah! Well you just think about it. I hate to shop! Huh, I am absolutely insensitive. I detest Barbara Streisand. And for God's sake I'm a Republican! "But do you like having sex with men?" "Well it's...". "Gay!!!!!!!" That is the only indicator of whether or not someone's gay. Everything else is bull ****.
Observer Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 Give me a price tag. Whatever number Tom answers, you could get a lot more bang for the buck in chemical weapons. I believe it was Hamilton writing as Publius in the Federalist Papers who said, "Sarin and VX will keep an oppressive government in check." I'm all for pie in the sky idealism around Libertarianism, but there's a limit to an ideal brother. Thanks - I'll be giving dinner a miss this evening. With a hint of Janet Reno on the side.
Andrew Son Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 I disagree. I don't think Obama gives a rat's asshair about the shootings except to see them as an opportunity to push his agenda. This murder had virtually nothing to do with the way guns are sold in America and precisely everything to do with a terror attack, but what did Obama talk about? Gun control. Every 'mass' shooting is another chance for him to push his cause. He may feel badly for a brief moment, but you can bet your ass the minute he hears the death toll going up, he's getting his typical gun control speech tee'd up for an address...usually right before he takes off for a fundraiser. Yeah, it's crazy, almost like mass shootings have something to do with guns
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