Islamic Terrorism

[shrader]

 

And how do you plan on doing that? This guy was born in New York and probably got radicalized by watching ISIS propaganda on the internet. Be realistic.

 

The only thing that can be done is removing the propaganda off the internet which is easier said than done.

 

I was mostly off the grid this weekend so I've seen very little coverage of this so far. I'm most curious about his father right now. I get the feeling the shooter was exposed to that propaganda at home most of his life. I know this is pretty much a master of the obvious type comment, but the feds are going to be keeping a very close eye on that guy for a while. It's pure speculation, but I'm willing to bet that he knew this was coming.

[ALF]

And a former co-worker of 29-year-old Omar Mateen, who authorities say killed 49 people in a massacre at an Orlando gay nightclub early Sunday, claimed he saw the attack coming.

"He was an angry person, violent in nature, and a bigot to almost every class of person," said Dan Gilroy, who was a security guard alongside Mateen for about a year between 2014 and 2015, according to CNN affiliate WPTV-TV.

Gilroy, a former police officer, said Mateen's behavior was so concerning that he quit working with him.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/index.html

One TV report said his co workers did report him but FBI cleared him twice.

Edited June 13, 2016 by ALF

[B-Man]

Reminder:

 

Terrorists do not care about diversity and inclusiveness. They are not interested in “dialogues.” They hate the most progressive Democrat as much as the most conservative Republican.

Amb. John Bolton: Two critical conclusions from Orlando terror attack

Sunday brought the latest terrorist attack in America, the largest mass shooting in U.S. history, with all its attendant tragedy. Words cannot adequately describe the horror that engulfed the scene of this massacre, caused by one Omar Mir Seddique Mateen.

 

Beyond the human cost, however, also lies the tragedy that Barack Obama, speaking even as it became clear that the murderer was a radical Islamic terrorist, is still unable or unwilling to draw the appropriate conclusions. The president’s remarks omitted any linkages between the cold-blooded murders, the terrorist’s ideology, and the broader international threat that motivated the Orlando killer and perhaps others yet unknown.

 

We will, in the coming days, doubtless hear that the terrorist was a lone wolf, that he did not belong to any known terrorist organization, that there are no wider threats. In particular, those who are blind to the terrorist threat will downplay even the incontrovertible fact that Mateen pledged loyalty to ISIS as he committed his murders.

 

Two critical conclusions follow immediately from Sunday’s tragic reality, one with immediate implications for our domestic safety, and one for conducting the broader international war against terrorism.

 

First, the number of true “lone wolf” terrorists is infinitesimal. The implications of that phrase, namely that terrorism is not a widespread and still-growing phenomenon, are profoundly impairing our ability to protect innocent civilians. Terrorists like Mateen are not “one offs” who emerge randomly, unexpectedly and inexplicably, perhaps victims of mental disorders. The evidence is now indisputable that we are confronting a far larger threat, albeit not one organized conveniently for our understanding. This threat is unmistakably ideological, as Sunday’s Orlando attack and the apparently thwarted attack in Santa Monica demonstrate.

 

We simply must start acknowledging that terrorists -- whether ISIS, Al Qaeda, or others -- are not structured like governments or corporations. They are not staffed with desk-bound bureaucrats in grey suits, arranged pursuant to a complex, hierarchical organization chart. They do not send memoranda to each other through a complex clearance process, with copies distributed far and wide.

 

Nor do they function like spy networks and subversive political movements of days gone by. They do not carry party identification cards. They do not communicate through dead drops, brush passes, invisible ink and microdots. This is not an age where FBI agents have the capacity to infiltrate the “cells” that do not exist or shadow the agents who are running the actual terrorists.

 

Instead, it is not just the West that has mastered digital communications and Internet social networks. The terrorists are just as good at it, for their purposes better than we are at understanding their techniques and their success. Actors like Mateen are not rigorously following a critical path chart in ISIS headquarters. Instead, it is precisely the disconnected, unpredictable timing of the terrorist attacks, not necessarily staged in advance, that adds to their devastating effect.

 

Second, the United States must urgently discard the fiction that we pay no price for not pursuing international terrorists vigorously and relentlessly. President Obama’s strategy against terrorist bases of operation, when it is evident at all, has been lackadaisical and offhanded. There is a clear rationale to this casualness. Obama manifestly believes that, as bad as terrorist attacks are, American “overreaction” is worse. In his view, the use of U.S. forces risks increasing the problem rather than reducing it, making us much a part of the problem as the terrorist threat itself.

 

This is, of course, utter nonsense. We are obviously defending ourselves from attack, not initiating it. And it is palpably our failure to defend ourselves that provides incentives for the terrorist to strike even harder. Here is where Obama’s failure to pursue the campaign against ISIS in Syria and Iraq is so damaging. A slow, casual offensive against ISIS gives the terrorists time and opportunity to encourage strikes like the one we have just seen.

 

There is a cost -- and a very human cost -- to allowing ISIS any respite from the full force of U.S. and allied military power. It is not cost-free to slow roll the anti-ISIS campaign, not in the Middle East, not in North Africa, and most certainly not in the United States.

 

More at the link

 

 

 

NBC News: Federal officials say Orlando shooter Omar Mateen took two trips to Saudi Arabia, in 2011 and 2012.

 

 

 

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Edited June 13, 2016 by B-Man

[Ozymandius]

 

And a former co-worker of 29-year-old Omar Mateen, who authorities say killed 49 people in a massacre at an Orlando gay nightclub early Sunday, claimed he saw the attack coming.

"He was an angry person, violent in nature, and a bigot to almost every class of person," said Dan Gilroy, who was a security guard alongside Mateen for about a year between 2014 and 2015, according to CNN affiliate WPTV-TV.

Gilroy, a former police officer, said Mateen's behavior was so concerning that he quit working with him.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/index.html

 

 

But nothing can be done to reduce these attacks! We're just going to have to live with them!

 

lol - how about we start to think in terms of incentives?

[FireChan]

 

What should BO have done? (BTW - he didn't move any businesses out of NC)

Close the gunshow loophole!

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

So far the left has blamed:

 

• Christian Conservatives
• The NRA
• The Gun itself
• Trump's speeches
• The Bathroom bill
• Automatic weapons
• Anti-Muslim culture
• Bush
• Social Media
• Republicans in general
• Anti-gay culture
• Capitalism

 

who are we missing?

 

Beerball.

[Observer]

So far the left has blamed:

 

• Christian Conservatives
• The NRA
• The Gun itself
• Trump's speeches
• The Bathroom bill
• Automatic weapons
• Anti-Muslim culture
• Bush
• Social Media
• Republicans in general
• Anti-gay culture
• Capitalism

 

who are we missing?

 

And the right is blaming:

 

Islam

Obama

Clinton (Bill or Hillary)

Social media

ACLU

etc

 

That's what people do in cases like this. Look for a root cause and try to fix it.

 

If only it were that simple.

[IDBillzFan]

Just don't bother calling yourself a "newspaper" ......all pretense is dropped

 

That is embarrassing beyond words. Almost as bad as their headline that God is useless.

 

But then again, that is your American left. No guns. No God. Just government in charge of everything.

[B-Man]

EXACTLY RIGHT: “ISIS-inspired madman Omar Mateen’s decision to massacre dozens of patrons of the Pulse nightclub was the bloodiest mass shooting in modern history. It was also an attack on the heart of the LGBT community and an unwelcome sign that radical Islamic terrorists may now single out gays and lesbians with the same focus that they have targeted Jews and others. . . . It was not just a mass murder; it was a notice to the LGBT community. ISIS is coming for us.”

 

 

 

USA TODAY COLUMN IS ON ORLANDO:

 

An Untraditional War: We can’t stop ISIL-inspired massacres if we deny we’re fighting Islam’s jihadist strain.

 

 

 

 

MILO YIANNOPOULOS:

 

The Left Chose Islam Over Gays. Now 100 People Are Dead Or Maimed In Orlando.

[boyst]

I work with a man who is very much a leader and inspiration to the community whom is Islamic. He is anything but happy. A man who does not curse used a handful of words not normally used to talk about Orlando. Its not all Muslims. Its not all middle easterners. That is the sad truth. He practices sharia law. He does not condemn or demean women. He believes all are the same and he is not to judge. That the gunman went to Hell and deserves it. That the gay are born that way and that's not his call to judge them. He believes gluttony is a worse sin. His beliefs are nothing like you'd hear on TV. And its amazing how the faux islamist here is so far off to him and those I work with that are Muslim.

[Magox]

 

Just replace the word "Gay" with "illegal immigrants" and this could have been you.

There is no wiggle room. There is no "compromise." Shall not be infringed. Period. Point blank.

 

Serious question, define "arms".

[Justice]

It was only a matter of time before a witness says there was a second shooter and here he is. Claims he heard two guns going off simultaneously and said there was a person at the door telling people to remain indoors. Interesting. Thoughts?

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=HZ35V0etHiM

[meazza]

It was only a matter of time before a witness says there was a second shooter and here he is. Claims he heard two guns going off simultaneously and said there was a person at the door telling people to remain indoors. Interesting. Thoughts?

 

In these situations it is difficult for witnesses to accurately depict what went on.

[Justice]

In these situations it is difficult for witnesses to accurately depict what went on.

True, but some things can easily be explained and some can't. Maybe he heard the echo from the gunshots and thought there was a second shooter, but how can you explain the person at the door preventing people from exiting?

[meazza]

True, but some things can easily be explained and some can't. Maybe he heard the echo from the gunshots and thought there was a second shooter, but how can you explain the person at the door preventing people from exiting?

Might have been a security guard who thought there was something going on outside? Remember that there was gunfire outside before it moves into the club.

[Justice]

Might have been a security guard who thought there was something going on outside? Remember that there was gunfire outside before it moves into the club.

Possibly, but he did say the sound was drawing closer.

Edited June 13, 2016 by Justice

[keepthefaith]

 

And the right is blaming:

 

Islam

Obama

Clinton (Bill or Hillary)

Social media

ACLU

etc

 

That's what people do in cases like this. Look for a root cause and try to fix it.

 

If only it were that simple.

Yeah we can cut though all the BS by simply noticing that Obama expresses near zero determination to solve the problem.

[Justice]

I'm not saying there is a conspiracy going on here, but I do find it unusual how there's always a lack of eye-witnesses being interviewed on television. The fat guy with the beard was the only one I saw and he was interviewed during the night and the day and aired on all the networks.

[DC Tom]

True, but some things can easily be explained and some can't. Maybe he heard the echo from the gunshots and thought there was a second shooter, but how can you explain the person at the door preventing people from exiting?

 

A lot of people report not hearing gunshots at all, or thinking they were part of the music. Doesn't mean there were no shooters.

 

Eyewitnesses are unreliable. Period. End of story. People can't report a traffic accident accurately; they're not going to report a mass shooting accurately.

I'm not saying there is a conspiracy going on here, but I do find it unusual how there's always a lack of eye-witnesses being interviewed on television. The fat guy with the beard was the only one I saw and he was interviewed during the night and the day and aired on all the networks.

 

Police don't just let people run around the crime scene. Eyewitnesses aren't interviewed because they're not available, because they're in police custody.

[Justice]

 

A lot of people report not hearing gunshots at all, or thinking they were part of the music. Doesn't mean there were no shooters.

 

Eyewitnesses are unreliable. Period. End of story. People can't report a traffic accident accurately; they're not going to report a mass shooting accurately.

 

 

Police don't just let people run around the crime scene. Eyewitnesses aren't interviewed because they're not available, because they're in police custody.

I'm not buying that. You trying to say the fat guy was the exemption to the rule? And yes they might be in custody at first but eventually they do get released and yet we still hear nothing. Eye-witnesses can't be counted on? Tell that to the courts.

 

You can say SOME are unreliable. You can't say ALL of them are.

Edited June 13, 2016 by Justice