IDBillzFan Posted February 17, 2015 Posted February 17, 2015 In retrospect, maybe Joe Biden is the perfect partner for POTUS. The jobs-for-terrorists concept is right out of the playbook of the current administration. Can't you just see yesterday's terrorists installing today's solar panels on a home near you? Today might not be a good day to bring in Biden. He got a little grabby at the podium again.
Dante Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 Today might not be a good day to bring in Biden. He got a little grabby at the podium again. It really is scary who is running this deal. From top to bottom. It really is like a bunch of liberal college students with the keys to the car. Absurdities come so often now that I'm getting numb to it. Like the nut job that said the way to fight ISIS is to get them jobs. It's way beyond how bad I thought it would be when the islamic commie(and his beautiful feminine looking wife ) took the helm.
B-Man Posted February 18, 2015 Author Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) U.S. is pretty concerned about Egypt, UAE taking fight to ISIS in Libya FTA: The Saudis and Egyptians still command the most influence over the region’s Sunni elements who are not predisposed to gravitate toward the rapidly expanding caliphate. Given these conditions, it is unsurprising that the Pentagon would express its dismay over dangerous demonstrations of force from any one member of this multipolar dynamic. But what else could these two nations do? When facing a threat to their national securities, and confronted by the fact that their Western partners simply refuse to address those regional challenges comprehensively, of course Cairo and Abu Dhabi would take matters into their own hands as is their sovereign right. Unless the United States is willing to extend its security umbrella over the Middle East and to absolve these nations of their responsibility to provide for their defense (thus filling the vacuum the administration created), who can blame these nations for serving as custodians of their own interests? History is returning to the Middle East as aspiring powers vie to fill the void created when the West abandoned Iraq. While the Pentagon can issue half-hearted objections to the inevitable consequences of American retrenchment, there is little they can do to stop them. It is a small comfort that Kirby is not pretending that these nations going it alone is a welcome development in order to curry favor with those who will welcome American disentanglement from this volatile region. More at the link: . Edited February 18, 2015 by B-Man
Dante Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/02/18/italy-prepares-for-war-with-isis-from-the-south/ Italy yet another european nation weakened by socialism has no military to speak of. Of course they don't when you have social programs to allocate resources to. Who needs tanks and stuff? Edited February 18, 2015 by Dante
IDBillzFan Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/02/18/italy-prepares-for-war-with-isis-from-the-south/ Italy yet another european nation weakened by socialism has no military to speak of. Of course they don't when you have social programs to allocate resources to. Who needs tanks and stuff? For years, progressives have argued that the United States has no business getting involved in anything outside our borders. They've said we need to let the rest of the world take care of themselves. We can't save everyone, they argue. We can't build nations. We can't spread democracy. We have roads that need to be repaired. Bridges that need a paint job. Teachers who need more money. They're watching that all come to fruition now, and I fear we're about to embark on a very, very, very dark journey together.
TH3 Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 For years, progressives have argued that the United States has no business getting involved in anything outside our borders. They've said we need to let the rest of the world take care of themselves. We can't save everyone, they argue. We can't build nations. We can't spread democracy. We have roads that need to be repaired. Bridges that need a paint job. Teachers who need more money. They're watching that all come to fruition now, and I fear we're about to embark on a very, very, very dark journey together. What dark journey would that be? Is ISIS massing at our borders? Are we not energy independent? Are our industries and corporations as rich and healthy as ever? What threat do you see? It is ugly to watch...but not a threat to our borders....
Dante Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) For years, progressives have argued that the United States has no business getting involved in anything outside our borders. They've said we need to let the rest of the world take care of themselves. We can't save everyone, they argue. We can't build nations. We can't spread democracy. We have roads that need to be repaired. Bridges that need a paint job. Teachers who need more money. They're watching that all come to fruition now, and I fear we're about to embark on a very, very, very dark journey together. Liberals live with utopian blinders on. What I can never understand is they don't posses even the most rudimentary knowledge or memory of history. How could you not have the means to defend your country? Thats the most basic of needs. I admit I tend to be a bit isolationist. That doesn't mean I don't think we should have the best military in the world I do. It does appear that at some time very soon we are going to need it. I find it hard to believe that we are going to be prepared though with the way that the trader in chief seems to be protecting ISIS. And while the terrorists are running rampant he is still banging the drum of the open border horseshit. The guy should be arrested for leaving us so vulnerable. Edited February 19, 2015 by Dante
Chef Jim Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 What dark journey would that be? Is ISIS massing at our borders? Are we not energy independent? Are our industries and corporations as rich and healthy as ever? What threat do you see? It is ugly to watch...but not a threat to our borders.... How do you know this?
Dante Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) What dark journey would that be? Is ISIS massing at our borders? Are we not energy independent? Are our industries and corporations as rich and healthy as ever? What threat do you see? It is ugly to watch...but not a threat to our borders.... When I see they have designs on Italy I get nervous. Couple that with the the politically correct leftist open immigration policies of a lot of Europe, that is now lousey with muslims, I get real nervous. Edited February 19, 2015 by Dante
meazza Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/02/18/italy-prepares-for-war-with-isis-from-the-south/ Italy yet another european nation weakened by socialism has no military to speak of. Of course they don't when you have social programs to allocate resources to. Who needs tanks and stuff? You really think it's socialism that weakened Italy lol That's like saying Amy Winehouse destroyed herself by drinking too much coffee.
Dante Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 You really think it's socialism that weakened Italy lol That's like saying Amy Winehouse destroyed herself by drinking too much coffee. By default it weakens all countries. It's failed political system. Italy has no military why do you think that is? Especially with the most unstable region in the world right across the way. Doesn't make sense you would have no means to protect yourself.
Deranged Rhino Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 When I see they have designs on Italy I get nervous. Couple that with the the politically correct leftist open immigration policies of a lot of Europe, that is now lousey with muslims, I get real nervous. You should go on vacation. The fear machine has you in its thresher.
meazza Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 You should go on vacation. The fear machine has you in its thresher. Where can he go that the socialists won't get him?
IDBillzFan Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 What dark journey would that be?Not 100% sure, but I wonder if it'll start with someone being burned alive in a cage for all the world to watch. Lining up dozens of poor, desperate people and slitting their throats on a beach. Murdering another 45 after that. Or maybe progressives like yourself just decided having compassion for others really isn't that important to you anymore. Or maybe your compaassion will return when it's not a progressive in the WH playing golf while humans burn. I suspect this is closer to the truth than anything else.
TH3 Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Not 100% sure, but I wonder if it'll start with someone being burned alive in a cage for all the world to watch. Lining up dozens of poor, desperate people and slitting their throats on a beach. Murdering another 45 after that. Or maybe progressives like yourself just decided having compassion for others really isn't that important to you anymore. Or maybe your compaassion will return when it's not a progressive in the WH playing golf while humans burn. I suspect this is closer to the truth than anything else. You are mighty quick to label me - what have I said that identifies me as a "progressive" - I don't know what that even means. You "conservatives" on this board seem mighty quick to liberally use our military and mold the rest the world into our vision of conduct - but on the other hand you seethe when this happens in our own borders....so which is it? Has anyone on this board served in the military over there? I would consider actions in the ME if I saw them as having a chance to succeed. I don't. I have been to the ME a handful of times on business and the hatred these people have for each other is palpable - bear in mind that is a purely anecdotal observation. Parts of various religious sects and countries literally want to just kill each other. It appears that the only way to run a country like Iran is the manner in SH did - with an iron fist. We speak of the thousands that died under his rule - but what has happened in his void. The only way to avoid the horror of what is happening there is a generational military presence - the countries and people there are not motivated to work together to stop ISIS. This military presence would cost trillions - who is going to have the temerity to propose such and action AND ask the taxpayers to pay for it. Again - this would be a go alone event - the world has not shown motivation to assemble such an effort let alone the countries in the ME. Someone asked me: - The US is energy positive at $100 per barrel - US corporate values and assets are now more than our entire economy - that has never happened - ISIS massing at our border? Pretty sure they are not. Are they planning something like 9-11 - probably - them and Al Qaida too - I am also quite positive that the DHS. CIA, FBI, and our military have mobilized to monitor, seek, look for, investigate etc. planning for such and destroy these efforts in an ongoing manner - that is the threat ISIS poses - and from what I see - we have been successful at defending ourselves. You guys seem disappointed by the current state of affairs. BO has sent congress an authorization bill for further military action in the ME and as it pertains to ISIS. Has congress done anything with it? Have the compassionate conservatives reviewed this and either added to it or clarified what they would do, write a bill, and pass it? Nope - because they are all paper tigers - full of blow - but simply to small to actually do something. Edited February 19, 2015 by baskin
/dev/null Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 You really think it's socialism that weakened Italy lol Italy has really been on the downslope since Chef Boyarde emigrated
IDBillzFan Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) You are mighty quick to label me - what have I said that identifies me as a "progressive" - I don't know what that even means. You "conservatives" on this board seem mighty quick to liberally use our military and mold the rest the world into our vision of conduct - but on the other hand you seethe when this happens in our own borders....so which is it? Has anyone on this board served in the military over there? I would consider actions in the ME if I saw them as having a chance to succeed. I don't. I have been to the ME a handful of times on business and the hatred these people have for each other is palpable - bear in mind that is a purely anecdotal observation. Parts of various religious sects and countries literally want to just kill each other. It appears that the only way to run a country like Iran is the manner in SH did - with an iron fist. We speak of the thousands that died under his rule - but what has happened in his void. The only way to avoid the horror of what is happening there is a generational military presence - the countries and people there are not motivated to work together to stop ISIS. This military presence would cost trillions - who is going to have the temerity to propose such and action AND ask the taxpayers to pay for it. Again - this would be a go alone event - the world has not shown motivation to assemble such an effort let alone the countries in the ME. Someone asked me: - The US is energy positive at $100 per barrel - US corporate values and assets are now more than our entire economy - that has never happened - ISIS massing at our border? Pretty sure they are not. Are they planning something like 9-11 - probably - them and Al Qaida too - I am also quite positive that the DHS. CIA, FBI, and our military have mobilized to monitor, seek, look for, investigate etc. planning for such and destroy these efforts in an ongoing manner - that is the threat ISIS poses - and from what I see - we have been successful at defending ourselves. You guys seem disappointed by the current state of affairs. BO has sent congress an authorization bill for further military action in the ME and as it pertains to ISIS. Has congress done anything with it? Have the compassionate conservatives reviewed this and either added to it or clarified what they would do, write a bill, and pass it? Nope - because they are all paper tigers - full of blow - but simply to small to actually do something. So in other words, we haven't been where you've been, seen what you've seen or know what you know, so if we're not in agreement with everything you say, we're obviously wrong. And you wonder why I label you a progressive. You asked me what dark journey I thought would come. That you didn't like or expect that I had a viable answer is on you, not me. Likewise for what we consider "dark." What I do know beyond that is what I see in front of me. Our president has a history -- a LONG history -- of doing things for the exclusive sake of responding to criticism and to make him look busy. These things inevitably are done with an emphasis on his own interest. As a result of such consistently self-serving habits, Congress naturally wants to ensure his request for military action in the ME actually makes sense since pretty much every other action he has taken in the last six years has decidedly NOT made sense beyond helping the president (a) lie with some garbage talking point or (b) provide a gateway to more fundraising. And as was mentioned earlier, one of the few things this government IS designed to do is to protect the citizens of this country. Perhaps had the current leader made protecting the country more important than playing golf and ignoring the multiple world-wide murder of Christians and Jews, the world -- and people like yourself -- would not view us as the paper lion he has led us to be. Edited February 19, 2015 by LABillzFan
Dante Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 Where can he go that the socialists won't get him? Certainly not Canada. Quebec even less. Try to stay warm up their.
TH3 Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 So in other words, we haven't been where you've been, seen what you've seen or know what you know, so if we're not in agreement with everything you say, we're obviously wrong. And you wonder why I label you a progressive. You asked me what dark journey I thought would come. That you didn't like or expect that I had a viable answer is on you, not me. Likewise for what we consider "dark." What I do know beyond that is what I see in front of me. Our president has a history -- a LONG history -- of doing things for the exclusive sake of responding to criticism and to make him look busy. These things inevitably are done with an emphasis on his own interest. As a result of such consistently self-serving habits, Congress naturally wants to ensure his request for military action in the ME actually makes sense since pretty much every other action he has taken in the last six years has decidedly NOT made sense beyond helping the president (a) lie with some garbage talking point or (b) provide a gateway to more fundraising. And as was mentioned earlier, one of the few things this government IS designed to do is to protect the citizens of this country. Perhaps had the current leader made protecting the country more important than playing golf and ignoring the multiple world-wide murder of Christians and Jews, the world -- and people like yourself -- would not view us as the paper lion he has led us to be. I still have no idea what "progressive" means. You seem obsessed with Obama - so much so you seem unable to unable to form your own proposal - pretty much like congress. POTUS is supposed to protect the US - our homeland has not been attacked or threatened in his presidency. No one is for the murders of anyone - people are murdered all day every day - the question is - where do you draw the line? So 20-50-100 people have been horrifically murdered - These murders are not a threat to the US - so do we put in harms way tens of thousands of our young men, hundreds of billions of dollars and the aftereffects of debt and the burden these soldiers come home with - as well as the casualties that we will incur that probably outnumber these murders? BTW - Didn't vote for BO, don't think he is a very good president, he ran on platform on getting out of the ME, got elected, and pulled out - which is what the clear majority of the US wanted. I just wonder where the GOP is on any of this....They are hiding under a rock because there is no good answer. All the GOP candidates refuse to address this subject. I can predict that the GOP will not even bring to the floor the ISIS authorization bill.
IDBillzFan Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 I still have no idea what "progressive" means. You seem obsessed with Obama - so much so you seem unable to unable to form your own proposal - pretty much like congress. POTUS is supposed to protect the US - our homeland has not been attacked or threatened in his presidency. No one is for the murders of anyone - people are murdered all day every day - the question is - where do you draw the line? So 20-50-100 people have been horrifically murdered - These murders are not a threat to the US - so do we put in harms way tens of thousands of our young men, hundreds of billions of dollars and the aftereffects of debt and the burden these soldiers come home with - as well as the casualties that we will incur that probably outnumber these murders? BTW - Didn't vote for BO, don't think he is a very good president, he ran on platform on getting out of the ME, got elected, and pulled out - which is what the clear majority of the US wanted. I just wonder where the GOP is on any of this....They are hiding under a rock because there is no good answer. All the GOP candidates refuse to address this subject. I can predict that the GOP will not even bring to the floor the ISIS authorization bill. Progressive is what you call yourself when you don't have the balls to go full Bernie Sanders. Perhaps the fundamental difference in the way we view things is I expect a leader to lead. I expect the commander in chief of our military to gather the smartest military minds (and we have plenty of them) to devise a plan to work with the international community to stop this threat. I expect the leader to then formulate a plan, explain it clearly to those from whom he will require help, make the case for his plan based on what he has heard from authoritative voices. You say these murders are not a threat to the US, and again, we clearly view things differently. First, they've already butchered Americans...perhaps not enough of them for you to care, but because I do care doesn't make me wrong. Additionally, just because they haven't gotten around to us yet in large quantities doesn't mean they won't, or can't, given the absolute disregard the president has for our borders. Lastly, it's a threat to Christians. It's a threat to Jews. Regardless of whether Obama wants to admit that. Christians and Jews all over the world are watching their brothers getting lit up like a barn full of old hay, and they want to help. Even the Pope, who progressives suddenly have a use for, is pleading for leaders to take action. Our country has ALWAYS been the leader, and it will once again, but right now we need a leader and what we have is a man whose idea of being a leader is to call another meeting before heading off to golf and raise funds. (That's not me being obsessive, but rather the undeniable truth. Look at Hassan, Pearl, Benghazi...and track the president's whereabouts directly after those events.) If I do seem obsessed with Obama, I would suggest that is because he's the freaking leader of the most powerful nation in the country and he seems to not give even the slightest inkling that he cares about ANTYHING beyond his own self-interests. Why would I NOT hold our leader accountable to do the one thing he KNOWS he's supposed to do; protect the citizens of this country. When our football team sucks, do I not nold accountable the owners and coach? When my company sucks, do I not hold accountable the owner and boss? Why would you have even the slightest disregard for how I hold our president to the fire for not doing what the entire world is waiting for him to do: fight back with something other than a powerpoint?
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