4merper4mer Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 Please God, let it be that whites are waking up Whites? WTF?
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 RIP to all the innocent victims this is extremely tragic. CAN WE ALL JUST ADMIT THAT THESE SCUMBAGS ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH A CIVILIZED SOCIETY ALREADY. France has had a rough stretch lately and i don't see it getting better any time soon. They have real problems with their fails PC Multicultural society. Trumps nationalist rhetoric will be even more appealing to Americans who are fearful of this happening to us.
4merper4mer Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 CAN WE ALL JUST ADMIT THAT THESE SCUMBAGS ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH A CIVILIZED SOCIETY ALREADY. I mean seriously.
KD in CA Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 RIP to all the innocent victims this is extremely tragic. CAN WE ALL JUST ADMIT THAT THESE SCUMBAGS ARE INCOMPATIBLE WITH A CIVILIZED SOCIETY ALREADY. France has had a rough stretch lately and i don't see it getting better any time soon. They have real problems with their fails PC Multicultural society. Trumps nationalist rhetoric will be even more appealing to Americans who are fearful of this happening to us. Regarding your bolded statement, no, we don't agree on that at all. Certainly our President doesn't agree with it even a tiny bit. So I find it interesting that you so casually dismiss 'nationalist rhetoric' from people who propose to do something concrete instead of offering the usual empty words. France is indeed paying the price for its "progressive" immigration policies.
ALF Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) Early report on driver , but not confirmed The local paper in the French city of Nice is reporting that the driver of a truck that plowed into holiday crowds watching Bastille Day fireworks, killing 80, is a local man of Tunisian origin. According to Nice-Matin, the man behind the wheel—who reportedly fired on the crowd as he drove his truck through throngs of pedestrians—was 31 years old. http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/07/14/report-french-tunisian-id-found-in-nice-attacker-s-truck.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl But details are emerging of a 31-year-old man, known to police, but not previously linked to jihadist groups. He was named locally as Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, although not by police. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36801763 Edited July 15, 2016 by ALF
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 Regarding your bolded statement, no, we don't agree on that at all. Certainly our President doesn't agree with it even a tiny bit. So I find it interesting that you so casually dismiss 'nationalist rhetoric' from people who propose to do something concrete instead of offering the usual empty words. France is indeed paying the price for its "progressive" immigration policies. I didn't mean for that to sound as if I was dismissing the nationalist rhetoric. I agree with stopping immigrants and refugees especially when we don't even know who they are!
Dorkington Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 The fact is, these !@#$s kill way more Muslims than they do 'Westerners', so I can't sit here and honestly say that they somehow represent the whole of Islam, and that everyone following Islam should be banned/rounded up/whatever. That being said, these terrorists are a real problem, and need to be dealt with, I just have not a !@#$ing clue how to do it. If we get too aggressive, there will be a vast amount of collateral damage, creating new generations of resentment. But if we just ignore the problem, the problem grows. So... :|
ALF Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 These lone wolf terrorists who become radicalized online are becoming a big concern. The latest attack in France , how can you prevent if those people are not even on police radar.
Nanker Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 Will B. O. blame the Teamsters Union and call for a ban on tractor trailers now? 84 people dead. How horrible.
meazza Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 The fact is, these !@#$s kill way more Muslims than they do 'Westerners', so I can't sit here and honestly say that they somehow represent the whole of Islam, and that everyone following Islam should be banned/rounded up/whatever. That being said, these terrorists are a real problem, and need to be dealt with, I just have not a !@#$ing clue how to do it. If we get too aggressive, there will be a vast amount of collateral damage, creating new generations of resentment. But if we just ignore the problem, the problem grows. So... :| They don't represent all of Islam and anyone who says so is ignorant but clearly, there is a huge problem. Unsurprisingly, these terrorists are often born in the country they attack so no ban can really change anything.
B-Man Posted July 15, 2016 Author Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) You may believe—fervently—you're not at war with someone. That doesn't mean they're not at war—fervently—with you. Reminder: January 2015: World leaders unite in France to condemn terrorism burying the lede.............. Truck crash ? Edited July 15, 2016 by B-Man
LeviF Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) I wonder how many more bodies have to hit the ground before Western elites renounce their insane beliefs on immigration/multiculturalism/all religions are equal/etc. Edited July 15, 2016 by LeviF91
CommonCents Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 http://heatst.com/uk/exclusive-france-suppressed-news-of-gruesome-torture-at-bataclan-massacre/ Not sure if anyone has come across anything similar but this is gruesome if true and something that should not be withheld from public eye.
Cugalabanza Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 I wonder how many more bodies have to hit the ground before Western elites renounce their insane beliefs on immigration/multiculturalism/all religions are equal/etc. Counterpoint: the solution to the problem does not lie in isolationism, intolerance and xenophobia. If you generalize, you just perpetuate the problem. You have to focus your rage on the parties who are guilty of committing these crimes.
B-Man Posted July 15, 2016 Author Posted July 15, 2016 First picture of Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel; ID card found at scene... On Terrorism and Immigration, America Is Not a Serious Nation When the avowedly socialist president of France, recently pilloried in the media for spending $11,000 a month on his haircuts, can immediately say after the horror in Nice that his nation is under attack from Islamic terrorism, but the U.S. president cannot blame anything other than “violent extremism” for the brutal terrorist attacks on our own soil, one sees how deeply unserious a country America has become. And this is true not just among politicians, but in our entire public culture, which has ultimately permitted as dangerous, divisive, and shallow a man as President Obama to occupy the highest office in the land. “All of France is under the threat of Islamic terrorism,” said French president Francois Hollande in the immediate aftermath of the attack, showing more directness and forthrightness not only than the entire Obama administration, but even at many times, the Bush administration, which often preferred to talk about a “war on terror” without mentioning the source of the overwhelming majority of that terror. We’ve fallen so far that a French socialist dandy is teaching us about resolve in the face of terror, just as previously a bunch of French leftist cartoonists at Charlie Hebdo taught the simpering cowards in our mainstream media a lesson about the true purpose of and, sadly, the ultimate price that must sometimes be paid for, defending free speech and expression. Meanwhile in the U.S., how did we respond to 9/11? We dramatically increased Muslim immigration (by somewhere between 50 percent and 200 percent depending on what source one consults). Approximately 2 million Muslims have legally settled here since we were attacked by Muslim terrorists waging jihad against the U.S., to mention nothing of the huge number of illegal Muslim immigrants crossing the border. In 2014, we added an order of magnitude more immigrants from countries such as Iran, Syria, Egypt, and Somalia than we did from France. And the current strategy from our president is to bring in tens of thousands more Syrians and to attack the character and integrity of anyone who opposes his suicidal immigration policies. As a resident of Silicon Valley, I understand the importance of attracting highly skilled immigrants in creating jobs and prosperity in the American economy. If some of those highly skilled immigrants happen to be Muslim and they want to embrace not just our economic benefits, but our way of life that generates them, then they are welcome here. But is that really primarily what is largely being represented by these groups of immigrants? On the whole, is their immigration to America at anywhere near these levels in the national interest? Does our allegedly elevated and “sophisticated” public discourse even permit us to ask such questions? Does America exist for the benefit of American citizens, or does it exist to benefit whomever Obama and the Democrats feel like favoring that day? Is America a great nation or an open-borders charity ward that does a growing side business in breeding jihadis? Any nation that has reacted as we have after being attacked by Muslim jihadis almost 15 year ago is not a serious nation. It is not a nation with a grand strategy for remaining the world’s pre-eminent power while ensuring the life, health, and prosperity of its citizens. It is not a nation that is serious about preserving its distinctive culture, habits, and institutions. Our leadership has devolved into a pusillanimous group of virtue-signalers for whom cowardice and cant masks itself as compassion. The Democrats, of course, have been almost universally awful, if not, at times nearly treasonous, on immigration and terrorism, but sadly many leading Republicans, particularly on immigration, are hardly any better. If you want to know why Donald Trump, for all of his boorishness, superficiality, and lack of conservatism will be accepting the nomination of America’s conservative party next week in Cleveland, you need look no further than the martyred dead of Nice. If we can’t bear to say for what they died, and to forthrightly name and defeat the forces that attacked them, then too many of us will ultimately suffer their fate. Our cowardice will be the wellspring of our own destruction. In Nice, the voice of our brothers’ blood is crying out to us from the ground. Is America willing, at long last, to hear it? Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/437911/terror-nice-when-it-comes-terrorism-america-not-serious-nation
meazza Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 http://heatst.com/uk/exclusive-france-suppressed-news-of-gruesome-torture-at-bataclan-massacre/ Not sure if anyone has come across anything similar but this is gruesome if true and something that should not be withheld from public eye. ****. I couldn't even bear to read that.
LeviF Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 Counterpoint: the solution to the problem does not lie in isolationism, intolerance and xenophobia. If you generalize, you just perpetuate the problem. You have to focus your rage on the parties who are guilty of committing these crimes. You talk as though the only options are full embracing of multikult/other leftoid insanity or isolationism. We both know this is not the case.
CommonCents Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 ****. I couldn't even bear to read that. Sorry, a friend sent it over to me and I thought it was something that was worth sharing. After all these attacks with ever increasing body counts people can easily become desensitized and conditioned as this is quickly becoming the norm.
Cugalabanza Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 You talk as though the only options are full embracing of multikult/other leftoid insanity or isolationism. We both know this is not the case. Ok, fair enough. I just happen to think that immigration is not the real issue.
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