Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Listening to Eric Wood on GR, he said that Marrone, Morris, the TE coach and somebody else were constantly on the Oline to get better. Could it be that the players were confused as to what to do because one guy says do this and another that, leading to paralysis by analysis? Also he indicated that the coaches were bashing them just as much as the fans and media, could they have ruined their self confidence and this led to their regression?
Fadingpain Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Listening to Eric Wood on GR, he said that Marrone, Morris, the TE coach and somebody else were constantly on the Oline to get better. Could it be that the players were confused as to what to do because one guy says do this and another that, leading to paralysis by analysis? Also he indicated that the coaches were bashing them just as much as the fans and media, could they have ruined their self confidence and this led to their regression? All of that may be true, but the fact that there isn't much talent on the O line to begin with is much more relevant.
doro Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 The same OL last year finished top 3 in rushing. They are not all that horrible.
transient Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Suck it up, Venus de Milo, and learn to block. Maybe the coaches wouldn't say such mean things then.
YoloinOhio Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 This coaching staff looks worse and worse by the day
Charles Romes Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 The success of our positional units varied inversely with St. Doug's level of involvement.
Ronin Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Too many cooks in the kitchen? This is the case with the front office too.
JDHILL Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 All of that may be true, but the fact that there isn't much talent on the O line to begin with is much more relevant. 3/5 of the line was part of what was considered a high level offensive line 3 years ago. They were bad this year but I feel like the scheme didn't help them much either
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 6, 2015 Author Posted January 6, 2015 All of that may be true, but the fact that there isn't much talent on the O line to begin with is much more relevant. those guys were good under Chan. The same OL last year finished top 3 in rushing. They are not all that horrible. last year. This coaching staff looks worse and worse by the day indeed The success of our positional units varied inversely with St. Doug's level of involvement. indeed part 2 This is the case with the front office too. yep, time to clean house, sick of all the usual suspects screwing things up.
Ronin Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 All of that may be true, but the fact that there isn't much talent on the O line to begin with is much more relevant. Shouldn't that befall Whaley? Where I'm at a loss is with how many posters seem to support Whaley, but we have no QB, largely due to him if not exclusively due to him, no RBs, nothing special at TE, questionable WRs at least to top levels, and opinions overall seem to be demonstrative that the talent on the OL is not good either. In short, he's got the offense in shambles and yet still has his job. yep, time to clean house, sick of all the usual suspects screwing things up. Yeah, but that's clearly not going to happen. The time to have done that was last week. Pegula's missed the boat on this one. I hear lots of fans complaining about the Sabres, and I have no idea how there's any contrary argument there, but it seems as if he's pulling the same nonsense he played there.
CardinalScotts Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 I like Eric Wood but coaches are there to motivate you one way or another....sitting around singing kumbiya isnt gonna stop Wilfolk from knocking back into you quarterback. The assistant coaches have a job to do
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 6, 2015 Author Posted January 6, 2015 Shouldn't that befall Whaley? Where I'm at a loss is with how many posters seem to support Whaley, but we have no QB, largely due to him if not exclusively due to him, no RBs, nothing special at TE, questionable WRs at least to top levels, and opinions overall seem to be demonstrative that the talent on the OL is not good either. In short, he's got the offense in shambles and yet still has his job. Yeah, but that's clearly not going to happen. The time to have done that was last week. Pegula's missed the boat on this one. I hear lots of fans complaining about the Sabres, and I have no idea how there's any contrary argument there, but it seems as if he's pulling the same nonsense he played there. maybe in a couple years he will after we go through some retread and he realizes it's time to start over :doh: I like Eric Wood but coaches are there to motivate you one way or another....sitting around singing kumbiya isnt gonna stop Wilfolk from knocking back into you quarterback. The assistant coaches have a job to do how many assistants do they need?
Proteus Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 The same OL last year finished top 3 in rushing. They are not all that horrible. They were 2nd in yards and tied with two other teams in 14 in yards per attempt. The ran the ball more than any other team in the league by a good margain. Let not skew the facts.
billsfan89 Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 All of that may be true, but the fact that there isn't much talent on the O line to begin with is much more relevant. True esp at guard the talent is non-existent and at RT you had a rookie which resulted in growing pains at that position. As a unit they need both a talent and coaching upgrade along the o-line.
NoSaint Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 All of that may be true, but the fact that there isn't much talent on the O line to begin with is much more relevant. There's a lot of potential but not a lot of production
RealityCheck Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 I am fascinated by the logic that because the O-line was good under Chan, a few years ago, that of course these same players couldn't have possibly regressed or, I dunno, sucked to begin with. They were never good, the front 5 has been shuffled a few times, guys have been banged up, they have gotten older, and the very idea that Irbik and Pears belong on this team is garbage. Moving tackles inside appears to be a garbage philosophy too. Marrone is a cookie cutter coach plain and simple, but if not for the bad press and the collective angst towards him, some people might have a different opinion on the quality of said O-linemen. Whaley looks brilliant at picking some defensive guys, but that is equally tempered by his awful assessment of offensive personnel.
NoSaint Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 True esp at guard the talent is non-existent and at RT you had a rookie which resulted in growing pains at that position. As a unit they need both a talent and coaching upgrade along the o-line. We really have little idea what guard holds after seeing it mangled with a choice like pears over urbik, hearing how negative the coaches were, poor play calling etc.... A good coach might get them to middle of the pack without a massive makeover
1B4IDie Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 Listening to Eric Wood on GR, he said that Marrone, Morris, the TE coach and somebody else were constantly on the Oline to get better. Could it be that the players were confused as to what to do because one guy says do this and another that, leading to paralysis by analysis? Also he indicated that the coaches were bashing them just as much as the fans and media, could they have ruined their self confidence and this led to their regression? They kind of sucked at run blocking. I think getting your arse handed to you by Williams, Williams, Hughes, Dareus, Charles, and Wynn every practice probably hurts your confidence more than any of the coaches mean words.
Simon Says Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) it was NOT QUITE the same O line as last year...Glenn and Wood returned at LT and C,respectively,but there was a revolving door at LG,RG and RT. 4 new guys (Williams and the 3 rookies),. Marrone should have left Pears and Urbik on the right side and concentrated on fixing LG No continuity to speak of. Edited January 7, 2015 by Pablocruise
BmarvB Posted January 7, 2015 Posted January 7, 2015 The same OL last year finished top 3 in rushing. They are not all that horrible. They really weren't all that bad under Chan. His staff did a much better job of getting the most out of basically the same group of guys (except Henderson).
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