Best Player Available Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 I'm not trying to be a jerk either, but here's an article about EJ from right after he was drafted. Granted, comparisons to Geno Smith and Barkley don't carry much weight now, but if we're just talking about the numbers... Also, look at how much better EJ was on the move, something I swear I've heard numerous people around here say he can't do. It's foolish to give up on him at this point. Interesting, I would not give up on him.But I sure has heck would demand Whaley has a solid and not a last second back up plan. In fact I would throw some money at any quality FA QB out there, I think Glennon will be available and would be great camp competition. the chances are slim one will get cut. but I also would not pay Cutler his contract in a trade either.
OldNMBillsFan Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 I'm not trying to be a jerk either, but here's an article about EJ from right after he was drafted. Granted, comparisons to Geno Smith and Barkley don't carry much weight now, but if we're just talking about the numbers... Also, look at how much better EJ was on the move, something I swear I've heard numerous people around here say he can't do. It's foolish to give up on him at this point. I agree, lets give the kid a chance. This video was posted before, but it should be brought up again.
eball Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Interesting, I would not give up on him.But I sure has heck would demand Whaley has a solid and not a last second back up plan. In fact I would throw some money at any quality FA QB out there, I think Glennon will be available and would be great camp competition. the chances are slim one will get cut. but I also would not pay Cutler his contract in a trade either. Whaley is on record that there will be one or two more arms in camp to compete. I believe him.
Snorom Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 common firggin sense says you are going to find a coach who has a plan for a young QB whether it be the one on the roster or the next one.
Beef Jerky Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 I hope the Bills have a QB competition... I just don't see EJ getting any better.
bananathumb Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Good for Whaley. Marrone threw a season of EJ's development away. Just don't saddle him with Howdy Doody again.
Ronin Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 --Whaley wants HC to develop EJ Of course he does. Last season he poured all of his resources into trying to correct incorrectable things about Manuel. I'm sure that he's shocked that he still has a job and can thank Mr. "Golly Gee, I'm the new owner of the Bills" for even still having a significant job. I'm guessing he'd trade the entire draft if he could to find a way to make EJ go. Hence our problem. His remaining in place is going to cost this organization for a long time and us as fans too.
purple haze Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) It's amazing how quickly fans give up on young players. It's the world we live in. If it doesn't happen right away it must be no good. Whaley is doing exactly what he should be doing. Seeing how a new coach would develop E.J. He should bring in other QB's as well, as he himself stated he would, but giving up on the guy after 14 games would be counterproductive. Edited January 6, 2015 by purple haze
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Interesting, I would not give up on him.But I sure has heck would demand Whaley has a solid and not a last second back up plan. In fact I would throw some money at any quality FA QB out there, I think Glennon will be available and would be great camp competition. the chances are slim one will get cut. but I also would not pay Cutler his contract in a trade either. You can DEMAND all you like, but QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick are starting in the NFL because quality NFL capable starters are in hot demand and low supply. Who do you recommend we go after, who is actually available, as that solid backup plan? Please don't tell me Glennon. I've been in this in another thread. Tampa needs 2 QB even if they draft Mariota. Let's see, I'm Tampa, do I keep McCown to whom I owe $5.2 M for 2015 but no dead money or Glennon who is signed for 2 years at $600k/yr? Glennon had a better year than McCown, who threw more picks than TDs and had a worse completion percentage. Decisions, decisons. (Hint: McCown gets cut and Glennon stays) If we want Glennon, we're going to have to trade someone or something very juicy to Tampa, something that will make up to them for keeping an older, much more expensive QB who isn't signed past next year and whose stats weren't as good. Who do you DEMAND Whaley give up for him, to establish this solid backup plan you DEMAND Whaley have?
BillsVet Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) Bills fans talking themselves into Hackett Jesus this is depressing Don't worry, it'll end in about 8 months. Then we can find out whether or not EJ is Akili Smith v2.0. Edited January 6, 2015 by BillsVet
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 common firggin sense says you are going to find a coach who has a plan for a young QB whether it be the one on the roster or the next one. I guess we're all Snorom cuz we needed to be told that?
bisonbrigade Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 I thought EJ should have been benched and have doubts about him. Saying that, there is reason to believe another coach may be able to get something out of him. What do we know about what Marrone was telling Manuel? He was telling him: To run out of bounds. Don't take risks. Don't turn the ball over. Play safe. And if what Marrones former colleague was saying is true, that he thinks about his next job as soon as he is hired, there's no way he would put the time in to even develop Manuel. Agreed. When Orton took over at QB, he played almost the same as EJ. Marrone's caveman offense.
IDBillzFan Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 I think that is what happened to Orton too. The guy regressed dramatically as the season went on. Went from downfield baller to 3-yard check downs. The thing that was pissing me off about Orton: In the beginning of his season, I was impressed by how willing he was to stand in the pocket and throw, even when he knew he was about to get clobbered. By the end of the season, the minute any defender was near him, he'd collapse like a one-legged man in an ass-kicking contest. With all the dirt being thrown on Marrone, I'm increasingly convinced Orton was essentially told to avoid the turnovers by laying down upon being hit, and live to fight another day, which would explain the multiple times when the look on Orton's face was one of disbelief, as in "Who the hell is calling this stupid play?"
plenzmd1 Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Don't worry, it'll end in about 8 months. Then we can find out whether or not EJ is Akili Smith v2.0. I am president of the Hackett fan club. 8 months brings us to first week August , after 1st preseason game..your prolly right, i will hate him in eights months
CountDorkula Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 come on. you guys have seen Manuel. The guy has almost zero control or touch over his throws. Nobody can coach that. Not to mention he was doing a good job getting receivers hurt. We have also found out recently that this offense was effed because of the HC tendancies. What effect that has/had, we have no idea
NoSaint Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Of course he does. Last season he poured all of his resources into trying to correct incorrectable things about Manuel. I'm sure that he's shocked that he still has a job and can thank Mr. "Golly Gee, I'm the new owner of the Bills" for even still having a significant job. I'm guessing he'd trade the entire draft if he could to find a way to make EJ go. Hence our problem. His remaining in place is going to cost this organization for a long time and us as fans too. im sure if one of the coaches walked in with an amazing plan for qb that wasnt EJ, we wouldnt shun it --- i think the issue is there isnt anyone better available (atleast YET)
BADOLBILZ Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) at some point a large segment of this board accepted that accuracy never improves for a qb. as the game slows, protection improves, and the scheme makes more sense along with having guys work with him on fine tuning mechanics, its silly to think that it couldnt improve.... in fact it should, some, unless a guy got a heavy dose of PTSD behind his line and a crazy coach in his ear. My opinion of EJ hasn't changed since he was drafted. He's a project with a very good ceiling. One of his problems is that he is so huge that he has struggled with his mechanics. The guy as a 7' wingspan. He is all arms and legs and any fan of baseball knows that that combination in a thrower makes it harder to harness mechanics. But very often they can. See Randy Johnson as a prime example. Went from not being able to throw a strike in his 20's to becoming precise at 30. To avoid a Byron Leftwich-type long release....by basically shortening his arm.... EJ uses an abbreviated throwing motion which keeps his elbow parallel to his shoulder thru most of his motion. But he still has long legs to deal with and his footwork was abysmal as a rookie. He worked on it all offseason but the guy just wasn't ready to impersonate a pocket passer. If they insist on him playing pocket passer, it could take years to hone his combination of physical awkwardness and mental unpreparedness. IMO no coaches or GM have time for that. I say cut the guy......and a number of young QB's....LOOSE. Put them in an up-tempo attack and give them easy reads and let them use their feet. In a lot of respects creating a pocket passer is very much about taking the athlete out of these guys. What's the difference if they tear up a knee and never make it or flame out like JP Losman? Let them play and have re-inforcements at the ready. Edited January 6, 2015 by BADOLBEELZ
In space no one can hear Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 Bills fans talking themselves into Hackett Jesus this is depressing +1
Best Player Available Posted January 6, 2015 Posted January 6, 2015 You can DEMAND all you like, but QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick are starting in the NFL because quality NFL capable starters are in hot demand and low supply. Who do you recommend we go after, who is actually available, as that solid backup plan? Please don't tell me Glennon. I've been in this in another thread. Tampa needs 2 QB even if they draft Mariota. Let's see, I'm Tampa, do I keep McCown to whom I owe $5.2 M for 2015 but no dead money or Glennon who is signed for 2 years at $600k/yr? Glennon had a better year than McCown, who threw more picks than TDs and had a worse completion percentage. Decisions, decisons. (Hint: McCown gets cut and Glennon stays) If we want Glennon, we're going to have to trade someone or something very juicy to Tampa, something that will make up to them for keeping an older, much more expensive QB who isn't signed past next year and whose stats weren't as good. Who do you DEMAND Whaley give up for him, to establish this solid backup plan you DEMAND Whaley have? the league year isn't even over sit tight. And your Glennon theory it is pure SPECULATION you know nothing. Just like me and almost every person here. Quit talking like what you THINK is bible, it is not dude. But yea if i just dropped north of a billion I would DEMAND and effing improvement from a GM who while doing some good trades, drafted a few good players, has totally crapped out on both the the O- line and now that he is seemingly taking ownership on Manuel the QB position. laughable the starting QB who got maroons winning record was on a couch A week or so before the season opener. There was a reason for that it goes beyond whatever maroon and hackett wanted too. EJ for whatever reason was not cutting it. watch the 2013 tampa game, this years houston game if you need video proof. Sure EJ will get his shot I like the kid. I think his chances are slim, but I like you and everyone is speculating on a football blog. Not a war room or team FO.
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